Switzerland joins Schengen

Mike Lane wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:42:38 +0000, JNugent wrote
(in article ):

Mike Lane wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:45:10 +0000, Luca Logi wrote
(in article ):

Miles Vaches wrote:

Thu 27/11/08 14:48 - The European Union will lift its land borders
with Switzerland on Dec. 12. Travellers will be able to drive to and
from non-EU member Switzerland without showing their passports at its
land borders with EU states France, Italy, Austria and Germany.
I guess that you will be stopped anyway at land borders on highways to
check if your car has the highway tax sticker.


No you won't. They only check for Motorway vignettes when you are actually
on the motorway. If you don't use any motorways you don't have to pay the
tax.

That's the situation already. But some significant land crossings (eg, the
one from the German A5 autobahn just north of Basel) are actually on
motorways.

Obviously if you're already on a motorway when you enter Switzerland they
will check if you have paid the tax for a vignette and are therefore entitled
to drive on the Swiss motorways. But if you're not on a motorway they won't.

Er... quite.

[I think I just said that.]

On 28 nov, 11:43, "catalpa" wrote:
"Miles Vaches" wrote in message

news:97696445-e65f-4c30-
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http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redactie.english/news/
081127_schengen

Switzerland joins Schengen

Thu 27/11/08 14:48 - The European Union will lift its land borders
with Switzerland on Dec. 12. Travellers will be able to drive to
and
from non-EU member Switzerland without showing their passports at
its
land borders with EU states France, Italy, Austria and Germany.

Switzerland is the 25th country to scrap border controls in the
Schengen club of European states, which includes non-EU members
Norway
and Iceland and covers an area of 3.6 million sq km (1.4 million
sq
miles).

The EU plans to drop controls at airports for flights to and from
Switzerland on March 29, according to a draft document seen by
Reuters
Press Agency. That date will be confirmed after a last visit to
Swiss
airports by EU experts.

Britain and Ireland have chosen not to take part in the Schengen
area.
Bulgaria and Romania do not yet fulfil all the security
requirements
and Cyprus has asked for a delay before lifting its borders.

"A Schengen expert group has approved the measures proposed by
Switzerland
for border controls with Liechtenstein.
The fact that the principality is not yet part of the Schengen area
will
cost Switzerland millions of francs. There is currently no border
control on
the 41 kilometres that separate the two countries."- Masquer le
texte des messages précédents -

Funny situation:

- Liechtenstein and Switzerland are a customs union (and monetary;
official
currency for both countries are Swiss francs), so no customs checks
at
the border between both countries, but new passport-/ID-checks at
least
the time Liechtenstein is not part of Schengen area

- on the other hand with Switzerland joining Schengen area and rules,
but no customs union with EU no more passport-/ID-checks at borders,
but still customs checks. And probably customs checks will be
extended:
for years German customs check cars and trucks even some 30 km
from the border - same might happen by Swiss custom services within
Switzerland soon (in fact has already started at least a few km)

"je" wrote extended:
for years German customs check cars and trucks even some 30 km
from the border - same might happen by Swiss custom services within
Switzerland soon (in fact has already started at least a few km)

I can well recall travelling from France into Andorra and two days later
driving back into France without a customs check,only to be stopped ten k on
by a French police roadblock.
All the frogs and krauts had to turn their cars inside out, the cops saw my
r/h drive car sporting GB stickers and waved us through.
So long suckers:-))

On 1 Dec, 14:21, "John Bennett" wrote:
"je" wrote extended:
* for years German customs check cars and trucks even some 30 km
* from the border - same might happen by Swiss custom services within
* Switzerland soon (in fact has already started at least a few km)

I can well recall travelling from France into Andorra and two days later
driving back into France without a customs check,only to be stopped ten k on
by a French police roadblock.
All the frogs and krauts had to turn their cars inside out, the cops saw my
r/h drive car sporting GB stickers and waved us through.
So long suckers:-))

....and then you got turned over in Dover ;-)

"beef connective tissue" wrote in message
...
On 1 Dec, 14:21, "John Bennett" wrote:
"je" wrote extended:
for years German customs check cars and trucks even some 30 km
from the border - same might happen by Swiss custom services within
Switzerland soon (in fact has already started at least a few km)

I can well recall travelling from France into Andorra and two days later
driving back into France without a customs check,only to be stopped ten k
on
by a French police roadblock.
All the frogs and krauts had to turn their cars inside out, the cops saw
my
r/h drive car sporting GB stickers and waved us through.
So long suckers:-))

....and then you got turned over in Dover ;-)

Nah!,came back through St Malo to Portsmouth, they just waved us through.
Wish I'd brought over my allowance:-((

I guess that you will be stopped anyway at land borders on highways to
check if your car has the highway tax sticker.

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:21:54 -0000, John Bennett wrote in post :
:

or years German customs check cars and trucks even some 30 km
from the border - same might happen by Swiss custom services within
Switzerland soon (in fact has already started at least a few km)

It's been a regular occurrence on the Umbrail pass for at least 15 years.
--
Tim C.

On Nov 28, 3:43*pm, "catalpa" wrote:
"Miles Vaches" wrote in message

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http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redac...81127_schengen

Switzerland joins Schengen
(Belga)
Thu 27/11/08 14:48 - The European Union will lift its land borders
with Switzerland on Dec. 12. Travellers will be able to drive to and
from non-EU member Switzerland without showing their passports at its
land borders with EU states France, Italy, Austria and Germany.

Switzerland is the 25th country to scrap border controls in the
Schengen club of European states, which includes non-EU members Norway
and Iceland and covers an area of 3.6 million sq km (1.4 million sq
miles).

The EU plans to drop controls at airports for flights to and from
Switzerland on March 29, according to a draft document seen by Reuters
Press Agency. That date will be confirmed after a last visit to Swiss
airports by EU experts.

Britain and Ireland have chosen not to take part in the Schengen area.
Bulgaria and Romania do not yet fulfil all the security requirements
and Cyprus has asked for a delay before lifting its borders.

An example of what Schengen does:

Schengen countries use a database storing names of criminal suspects
and stolen cars for checks at their external borders.

What, no Liechtenstein?

Leichtenstein should be compliant by 29 March 2009, which is the
deadline for the airports in Switzerland allowing passport - free
passage for Schengen area citizens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenge...nt#Enlargement

On Dec 5 2008, 2:04*pm, Wiener Sänger
wrote:
On Nov 28, 3:43*pm, "catalpa" wrote:



"Miles Vaches" wrote in message

....

http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redac...81127_schengen

Switzerland joins Schengen
(Belga)
Thu 27/11/08 14:48 - The European Union will lift its land borders
with Switzerland on Dec. 12. Travellers will be able to drive to and
from non-EU member Switzerland without showing their passports at its
land borders with EU states France, Italy, Austria and Germany.

Switzerland is the 25th country to scrap border controls in the
Schengen club of European states, which includes non-EU members Norway
and Iceland and covers an area of 3.6 million sq km (1.4 million sq
miles).

The EU plans to drop controls at airports for flights to and from
Switzerland on March 29, according to a draft document seen by Reuters
Press Agency. That date will be confirmed after a last visit to Swiss
airports by EU experts.

Britain and Ireland have chosen not to take part in the Schengen area..
Bulgaria and Romania do not yet fulfil all the security requirements
and Cyprus has asked for a delay before lifting its borders.

An example of what Schengen does:

Schengen countries use a database storing names of criminal suspects
and stolen cars for checks at their external borders.

What, no Liechtenstein?

Leichtenstein's compliance has been delayed until 1 November 2009
(tentative).

Wiener Sänger wrote:
On Dec 5 2008, 2:04 pm, Wiener Sänger
wrote:
On Nov 28, 3:43 pm, "catalpa" wrote:



"Miles Vaches" wrote in message
...
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redac...81127_schengen
Switzerland joins Schengen
(Belga)
Thu 27/11/08 14:48 - The European Union will lift its land borders
with Switzerland on Dec. 12. Travellers will be able to drive to and
from non-EU member Switzerland without showing their passports at its
land borders with EU states France, Italy, Austria and Germany.
Switzerland is the 25th country to scrap border controls in the
Schengen club of European states, which includes non-EU members Norway
and Iceland and covers an area of 3.6 million sq km (1.4 million sq
miles).
The EU plans to drop controls at airports for flights to and from
Switzerland on March 29, according to a draft document seen by Reuters
Press Agency. That date will be confirmed after a last visit to Swiss
airports by EU experts.
Britain and Ireland have chosen not to take part in the Schengen area.
Bulgaria and Romania do not yet fulfil all the security requirements
and Cyprus has asked for a delay before lifting its borders.
An example of what Schengen does:
Schengen countries use a database storing names of criminal suspects
and stolen cars for checks at their external borders.
What, no Liechtenstein?
Leichtenstein's compliance has been delayed until 1 November 2009
(tentative).


I guess it will all depend on when Liechtenstein finally stops its banks
from operating as a money laundering and tax evasion paradise. Until
then somebody has to check the suitcases full of 1000 Euro notes at the
border.

T.