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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"



 
 
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  #11  
Old April 12th, 2013, 11:07 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.politics.socialism,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,rec.travel.europe
bill
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Default Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:06:59 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:49*am, Bill wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:40:42 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir





wrote:
On Apr 11, 6:06*am, Bill wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir


wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote:
Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and
an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this
part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be
safe from while he was still around....”


The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! * Yet we have not
invaded!


The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either...


You don't think they have bombed villages;


In Turkey?

I don't know but I doubt it.

*by the way we gave those
poison gases to Saddam!


Cite please.


http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html


The policy of the U.S. lasted until just before the attack on Kuwait
The Washington Post writes: 'Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld
traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on
an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.'


In fact they seem to have made a single large attack.

By the end of the decade, Washington had authorised the
sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian
applications. These included poisonous chemicals and biological
viruses, among them anthrax and bubonic plague.'


Absolute and utter ********.

This nonsense is just made up rubbish.

Anthrax
'A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee disclosed that
dozens of biological agents were shipped to Iraq in the mid-1980s
under license from the U.S. Commerce Department, including strains of
anthrax. Anthrax has been identified by the Pentagon as a key
component of Saddam’s biological weapons program.'


He never had one.

Your sources are bull****.
  #12  
Old April 12th, 2013, 01:12 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.politics.socialism,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,rec.travel.europe
chatnoir
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Default Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"

On Apr 12, 4:07*am, Bill wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:06:59 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir





wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:49*am, Bill wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:40:42 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir


wrote:
On Apr 11, 6:06*am, Bill wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir


wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote:
Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and
an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this
part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be
safe from while he was still around....”


The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! * Yet we have not
invaded!


The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either...


You don't think they have bombed villages;


In Turkey?


I don't know but I doubt it.


*by the way we gave those
poison gases to Saddam!


Cite please.


http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html


The policy of the U.S. lasted until just before the attack on Kuwait
The Washington Post writes: 'Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld
traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on
an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.'


In fact they seem to have made a single large attack.

*By the end of the decade, Washington had authorised the

sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian
applications. These included poisonous chemicals and biological
viruses, among them anthrax and bubonic plague.'


Absolute and utter ********.

This nonsense is just made up rubbish.

Anthrax
'A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee disclosed that
dozens of biological agents were shipped to Iraq in the mid-1980s
under license from the U.S. Commerce Department, including strains of
anthrax. Anthrax has been identified by the Pentagon as a key
component of Saddam’s biological weapons program.'


He never had one.

Your sources are bull****.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You just can't view the US as being impure!
  #13  
Old April 12th, 2013, 05:42 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.politics.socialism,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,rec.travel.europe
Poetic Justice
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Default Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask anI...

charnoir wrote;

http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137
html [Snip]
http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17
how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemica
-weapons/ [Snip]


So your *fact cites* are from 2 private citizens both with a bias,
agendas, etc and on the fringe of society?


www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html

"Personal meeting between Saddam and
Rumsfeld American poison gas for
Saddam,..."


"American Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld took care of it that American
companies started to deliver poison gas to
Iraq."


It's one person's article that he wrote and posted on his own website.

It is only his *claim* which he doesn't back-up with *facts*, as there
are none to support his two statements or he would have used them.

I could put up a website and claim that Rumsfeld and Saddam were lovers,
that doesn't make it a fact.

Do you not understand the difference?

That man Daan de Wit is intelligent and successful (media, books) in the
Netherlands.

But he is also a conspiracy nut and a 9/11 Truther, you think he's a
good source for you to cite just because it supports what *You* want to
believe?

-------------------------------------------------

And the other *article* you cite as fact, here's a good example of his
*facts* as Bull****.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/...mical-weapons/

The article was written by Norm Dixon who writes for Australia's 'Green
Left Weekly'.
"Online version of the progressive newspaper published by the Democratic
Socialist Party (Australia)."
www.greenleft.org.au/

"It is believed that US-supplied choppers
were used in the 1988 chemical attack on
the Kurdish village of Halabja, which killed
5000 people."


"US-supplied choppers" "used" "chemical attack" "killed 5000 people"

That is his *only* mention of how the Halabja attack was carried-out!

Nothing on the French supplied fighter jets [also Russian Migs were seen
by an eyewitness Iranian journalist] that dropped the chemical bombs or
that some *unknown make* of helicopters *just* oversaw the operation.

And you would think that in a military operation the high ranking
commanders like Generals would go into an attack in attack helicopters
vs unarmed civilian ones maybe?

An eyewitness account;

"The five-hour attack began early in the evening of 16 March 1988,
following a series of random attacks using rocket and napalm, when Iraqi
Mirage [FRENCH] aircraft began dropping chemical bombs on Halabja's
residential areas, far from the besieged Iraqi army base on the
outskirts of the town.

An Iraqi aircraft conducted up to 20 bombings in sorties of seven to
eight planes each; HELICOPTERS coordinating the operation were also
seen."

-------------------------------------

The US sold Iraq 60 unarmed civilian use helicopters which were
confiscated during their war by the military for VIP transport.

None were *ever* armed, why do a half-ass foolish attempt to make it
into an attack helicopter when you are already supplied with 2 of the
World's best *ATTACK* helicopters?

Iraq's attack helicopter force was Russian and French.

From the Russians a large number of the Mil-24 Hind *ATTACK*
helicopters *armed* with cannon and missiles and it is reported that
some had chemical weapon sprayers.

From the French a large number of Gazelle *ATTACK* helicopters.

And with the French against International Law suppling spare parts for
their jets and helicopters during the 10 year embargo on Iraq.

  #14  
Old April 12th, 2013, 08:27 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.politics.socialism,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,rec.travel.europe
chatnoir
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Default Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an I...

On Apr 12, 10:42*am, (Poetic Justice) wrote:
charnoir wrote;

http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137
html [Snip]
http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17
how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemica
-weapons/ [Snip]


So your *fact cites* are from 2 private citizens both with a bias,
agendas, etc and on the fringe of society?

www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html

"Personal meeting between Saddam and
Rumsfeld American poison gas for
Saddam,..."
"American Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld took care of it that American
companies started to deliver poison gas to
Iraq."


It's one person's article that he wrote and posted on his own website.


So?


*It is only his *claim* which he doesn't back-up with *facts*, as there
are none to support his two statements or he would have used them.


You expect the government to accept responsibliety for that?



I could put up a website and claim that Rumsfeld and Saddam were lovers,
that doesn't make it a fact.


What personal website? Neither Deep Journal or Counterpunch are
personal web istes!


Do you not understand the difference?


I understand the US government willl not put up a web site admitting
to that!


That man Daan de Wit is intelligent and successful (media, books) in the
Netherlands.

But he is also a conspiracy nut and a 9/11 Truther, you think he's a
good source for you to cite just because it supports what *You* want to
believe?

..

  #15  
Old April 13th, 2013, 12:20 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.politics.socialism,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,rec.travel.europe
Poetic Justice
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Default Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask anI...

[It's one person's article that he wrote and
posted on his own website.]


chatnoir wrote;

So?


So?.... I assume you believe everything on any person's website *without
facts, proof, evidence*?

If you do, Ancient Aliens built the Pyramids and Stonehedge.

And my earlier post, now on the Google Usenet Archives' website is a
fact that Rumsfeld and Saddam were lovers?

Or is it a "So?" like, I don't want to hear about facts, proof or
evidence that effects my views that *I* cannot possibly prove?

[It is only his *claim* which he doesn't
back-up with *facts*, as there are none to
support his two statements or he would
have used them.]


You expect the government to accept
responsibliety for that?


Responsibility For What! What some Dutch guy *claims* on a *his*
conspiracy nutcase website? Are you serious!!!

There is zero proof that the US or *anyone* send 'Poison Gas' to Iraq.

No paper trail, no 1st hand accounts (civilian, military) people talk
esp years later and NONE was found that could be traced back to the US
or anyone. NOTHING! ZERO!

But yet this joker *claims* he knows exactly what Rumsfeld and Saddam's
private conversation was decades ago and what resulted because of it.
And *you* believe it! And you see nothing wrong with your reasoning?
AMAZING!

"Personal meeting between Saddam and
Rumsfeld American poison gas for
Saddam,..."
"American Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld took care of it that American
companies started to deliver poison gas to
Iraq."


What personal website? Neither Deep
Journal or Counterpunch are personal
web istes!


Read what I wrote! And not what you want to believe I wrote.

I *did not* say 'Counterpunch' was a personal website, I even give the
damn link for the original story that they ran on their radical and very
popular website!

I called 'Deep Journal' a personal website.
Now you tell me who the "personal" owner of Deep Journal's website is?

Right at the top of the Homepage "Follow Daan De Wit on Twitter" with
*nobody* else mentioned.

Click-on 'About' on the Homepage
www.deepjournal.com/p/58.html
On the 1st line.

"DeepJournal is made by Daan de Wit."
With *his* photo in *his* and only *his* bio!

And not only is he intelligent and successful, he's also a very handsome
man but he's still a conspiracy nut and a 9/11 Truther.

And he has posted 1500 of *his* own articles on *his* own website.

[Do you not understand the difference?]


I understand the US government willl not
put up a web site admitting to that!


Admitting To What! False claims because wingnuts like you and him
believe them?

Nobody sent Saddam intact chemical weapon gases or liquids or intact
chemical weapons...Nobody!

West German companies (like Karl Kolb) built 7 chemical weapon factories
*IN* Iraq.

The Iraqis manufactured the chemical weapons with German help and then
put them in artillary shells and aircraft bombs and they were all
delivered by Non-US made military weapons to gas the Iranians and the
Kurds.

Those are the Facts they are proven!

They are not some Bull**** claims made on websites by one person sitting
at a computer who ignores all the proven physical, 1st hand accounts and
paper trail evidence and then just makes-up their own "facts" for their
personal agendas.

 




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