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Why do Americans not travel more internationally ?
Another possible reason for a rise in passport applications within the
U.S. -- The idiot TSA screener droids can't recognize the funky jazzed up designs on many new state driver's licenses, and so subject too many of us to the extra pat down screening. Some of us figure a passport looks more official. One TSA droid couldn't even figure out what to do with a state police badge and ID. sheesh. |
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Why do Americans not travel more internationally ?
Alan S wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:16:49 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: Big country. Lots to do and see here. Europe is actually a lot of small countries. So a 2 hour drive gets you international travel, while a 2 hour drive in California, does not get you out of the state. Statistics are marvelous aren't they? Have you driven two hours south of San Diego? Or two hours north of Buffalo? Two hours north of Toronto you will see lots of cars with US licence plates. There are probably more US plates there than from other Canadian provinces. The US/Mexican border crossings in California are the busiest international border in the world. |
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sechumlib wrote:
Big country. Lots to do and see here. Europe is actually a lot of small countries. So a 2 hour drive gets you international travel, while a 2 hour drive in California, does not get you out of the state. Statistics are marvelous aren't they? I'm sure that's a large part of it. However, another factor is the extreme unpleasantness of flying in the US these days, whether internationally or domestically. This is partly because of the pervasive and ineffective security measures, and partly because the airlines have made air travel as horrific as they possibly could. My wife and I flew extensively before 2001, going to lots of places inside and out of the US. Since January 2001 (note: LONG BEFORE 9/11), we have not boarded a plane. Until things change massively, we will NOT be boarding any planes. It's no worse that it had been in most other places for years. I flew from Buffalo to Denver 9/11/02, expecting really serious security on the first anniversary of 9/11. It was no more stringent that I had experienced at Canadian and European airports on pre 9/11 flights. |
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message ... lid wrote: The per capita percentage of Americans that travel internationally for pleasure is low compared to other western nations. This seems strange, given the relatively high standard of living and disposable income of Americans. Although there has been a recent spike of US citizens obtaining passports, thi sis mainly due to recent legislation and it is doubtful the passports will increase the amount of travel outside North America. Why is the international travel so low ? Partially because you have to go farther than 100 km to cross a border for most folks in the US. The passport spike is because it will be needed for travel in North America soon. Probably about the same proportion of US citizens have been 200 miles away from home they just do that within the US. These answers are classic US thinking - stats v reality.It does not answer the question. I live in Australia where sometimes you have drive all day just to get a beer.So waht?I travel the world extensively because I have the means and like to see other countries and meet different cultures. Americans as a whole are extremely insular, with many not even knowing much about their own country let alone anything OS.The 'ignorance' is astounding and accounts for a lot of the stuff ups in foreign policy application. Having said that, you could'nt wish to meet more friendly,helpful and grscious people than the Americans - home and abroad. The only state in the US I have been to is Alaska.Have loved all the other states - great country,great people. |
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sechumlib wrote: Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... The per capita percentage of Americans that travel internationally for pleasure is low compared to other western nations. This seems strange, given the relatively high standard of living and disposable income of Americans. Although there has been a recent spike of US citizens obtaining passports, thi sis mainly due to recent legislation and it is doubtful the passports will increase the amount of travel outside North America. Why is the international travel so low ? Big country. Lots to do and see here. Europe is actually a lot of small countries. So a 2 hour drive gets you international travel, while a 2 hour drive in California, does not get you out of the state. Statistics are marvelous aren't they? I'm sure that's a large part of it. However, another factor is the extreme unpleasantness of flying in the US these days, whether internationally or domestically. This is partly because of the pervasive and ineffective security measures, and partly because the airlines have made air travel as horrific as they possibly could. My wife and I flew extensively before 2001, going to lots of places inside and out of the US. Since January 2001 (note: LONG BEFORE 9/11), we have not boarded a plane. Until things change massively, we will NOT be boarding any planes. Nah! The security twerps are at least as bad outside the US. |
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larry wrote: "Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message ... wrote: The per capita percentage of Americans that travel internationally for pleasure is low compared to other western nations. This seems strange, given the relatively high standard of living and disposable income of Americans. Although there has been a recent spike of US citizens obtaining passports, thi sis mainly due to recent legislation and it is doubtful the passports will increase the amount of travel outside North America. Why is the international travel so low ? Partially because you have to go farther than 100 km to cross a border for most folks in the US. The passport spike is because it will be needed for travel in North America soon. Probably about the same proportion of US citizens have been 200 miles away from home they just do that within the US. These answers are classic US thinking - stats v reality.It does not answer the question. I live in Australia where sometimes you have drive all day just to get a beer.So waht?I travel the world extensively because I have the means and like to see other countries and meet different cultures. Americans as a whole are extremely insular, with many not even knowing much about their own country let alone anything OS.The 'ignorance' is astounding and accounts for a lot of the stuff ups in foreign policy application. Having said that, you could'nt wish to meet more friendly,helpful and grscious people than the Americans - home and abroad. The only state in the US I have been to is Alaska.Have loved all the other states - great country,great people. You clearly lack experience. There is little difference in attitudes. The question is always phrased in terms of international borders and structured thus to create an artificial difference. |
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SMS wrote: lid wrote: The per capita percentage of Americans that travel internationally for pleasure is low compared to other western nations. This seems strange, given the relatively high standard of living and disposable income of Americans. Although there has been a recent spike of US citizens obtaining passports, thi sis mainly due to recent legislation and it is doubtful the passports will increase the amount of travel outside North America. Why is the international travel so low ? Because major employees give so little vacation, and because every time you change jobs, you start over from 2 weeks or so. That has an influence but I manage an international trip for 2/3 or so of the spring breaks of about 9 days. My last three springs have been Iberia, Paris, & Italy. Next year though it will be the Carolinas. |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:08:46 -0500, Dave Smith
wrote: Two hours north of Toronto you will see lots of cars with US licence plates. There are probably more US plates there than from other Canadian provinces. The US/Mexican border crossings in California are the busiest international border in the world. And neither of those borders requires a passport. -- Larry |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:59:29 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote: larry wrote: "Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message ... wrote: The per capita percentage of Americans that travel internationally for pleasure is low compared to other western nations. This seems strange, given the relatively high standard of living and disposable income of Americans. Although there has been a recent spike of US citizens obtaining passports, thi sis mainly due to recent legislation and it is doubtful the passports will increase the amount of travel outside North America. Why is the international travel so low ? Partially because you have to go farther than 100 km to cross a border for most folks in the US. The passport spike is because it will be needed for travel in North America soon. Probably about the same proportion of US citizens have been 200 miles away from home they just do that within the US. These answers are classic US thinking - stats v reality.It does not answer the question. I live in Australia where sometimes you have drive all day just to get a beer.So waht?I travel the world extensively because I have the means and like to see other countries and meet different cultures. Americans as a whole are extremely insular, with many not even knowing much about their own country let alone anything OS.The 'ignorance' is astounding and accounts for a lot of the stuff ups in foreign policy application. Having said that, you could'nt wish to meet more friendly,helpful and grscious people than the Americans - home and abroad. The only state in the US I have been to is Alaska.Have loved all the other states - great country,great people. You clearly lack experience. There is little difference in attitudes. The question is always phrased in terms of international borders and structured thus to create an artificial difference. Frank: What ARE you talking about? Personally I agree with the Aussie and I have no idea of what you are trying to say when you state " The question is always phrased in terms of international borders and structured thus to create an artificial difference." However, that is secondary to the original question. I originally asked a simple and serious question about the reason why Americans do not travel internationally as much as people in other parts of the world seem to do and the discussion immediately evolved to how big the USA is and how Americans can drive the same distance as those in Europe and still be in their own country. Sure you can but crossing a border into New Mexico from Texas is hardly the same as crossing a border from Slovenia to Italy or anywhere in the US into Europe. Let's try the original question again and rephrase Why do so few Americans travel "abroad" ( overseas ) for pleasure compared to those in other nations? I work in the travel industry and have had the opportunity to ask Americans but those are the ones that are traveling. The problem is that one doesn't get to meet the ones that don't. Is the reason fear? Is it lack of interest in other cultures? Is it lack of time? What???? |
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wrote in message ... The per capita percentage of Americans that travel internationally for pleasure is low compared to other western nations. I assume, by "international travel" you mean Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia. All of those are separated from the U.S. by rather large bodies of water, and it's quite expensive to get across them. This seems strange, given the relatively high standard of living and disposable income of Americans. You have a very mistaken understanding of the standard of living of an average American. Although there has been a recent spike of US citizens obtaining passports, thi sis mainly due to recent legislation Hunh? What legislation encourages Americans to obtain passports? and it is doubtful the passports will increase the amount of travel outside North America. Why is the international travel so low ? Those of us who can afford it, go. |
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