The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to paytaxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe. Thisconclusion is inconsistent with the liberal lie that top earners in the U.S.are not paying their "fair share&q

On Oct 10, 11:29*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:
On Oct 10, 11:59*am, Nickname unavailable



wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:21*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:

The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America’s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household....

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

*you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
*you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Table 4.5. Alternative measures of progressivity of taxes in selected
OECD countries, mid-2000s
B. Percentage share of richest decile
1. Share of taxes of richest decile
2. Share of market income of richest decile
3. Ratio of shares for richest decile (1/2)

United States
45.1
33.5
1.35

OECD-24
31.6
28.4
1.11

and the really getting ever richer few, and the really getting poorer
many, skews the statistics paid shill.

On Oct 10, 12:29*pm, "PJ O'D" wrote:
On Oct 10, 11:59*am, Nickname unavailable









wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:21*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:

The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America’s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household....

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

*you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
*you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Table 4.5. Alternative measures of progressivity of taxes in selected
OECD countries, mid-2000s
B. Percentage share of richest decile
1. Share of taxes of richest decile
2. Share of market income of richest decile
3. Ratio of shares for richest decile (1/2)

United States
45.1
33.5
1.35

OECD-24
31.6
28.4
1.11

On Oct 11, 4:02*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:29*pm, "PJ O'D" wrote:







On Oct 10, 11:59*am, Nickname unavailable

wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:21*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:

The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America’s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

*you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
*you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also..

Table 4.5. Alternative measures of progressivity of taxes in selected
OECD countries, mid-2000s
B. Percentage share of richest decile
1. Share of taxes of richest decile
2. Share of market income of richest decile
3. Ratio of shares for richest decile (1/2)

United States
45.1
33.5
1.35

OECD-24
31.6
28.4
1.11

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill wrote:

The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America’s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

*you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
*you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Today's rich never acquired their wealth in a free market free trade
economy anyway, but through the artificial job shortage scam.


Sam Walton
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
Jeff Bezos
Sheldon Adelson
Sergey Brin
Larry Page
George Soros
Steve Ballmer
Paul Allen
Michael Dell
Phil Knight
Len Blavatnik
Jack Taylor
Mark Zuckerberg
Ross Perot
Charles Ergen
Pierre Omidyar
Eric Schmidt
James Goodnight
Patrick Soon-Shiong
Charles Butt

That's the short list of the first 50 richest people in the U.S. who are all SELF-MADE.
To see the other 350 richest people in the U.S. go to
http://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-butt/
and continue searching looking for those who are SELF-MADE

That's why outspoken economists always dodge The Question, "Does free
speech precede each and every free trade?"


Since we do not live in a Muslim theocracy or socialism, free speech is a given. See --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...s_Constitution



Planet Visitor II

Bret Cahill

The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Today's rich never acquired their wealth in a free market free trade
economy anyway, but through the artificial job shortage scam.

Sam Walton
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
Jeff Bezos
Sheldon Adelson
Sergey Brin
Larry Page
George Soros
Steve Ballmer
Paul Allen
Michael Dell
Phil Knight
Len Blavatnik
Jack Taylor
Mark Zuckerberg
Ross Perot
Charles Ergen
Pierre Omidyar
Eric Schmidt
James Goodnight
Patrick Soon-Shiong
Charles Butt

That's the short list of the first 50 richest people in the U.S. who are all SELF-MADE.

All entirely or partially dependent on censorship/the GOP artificial
job shortage scam for their great disparity of wealth.


Bret Cahill

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Oct 11, 9:28*am, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill wrote:
The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Today's rich never acquired their wealth in a free market free trade
economy anyway, but through the artificial job shortage scam.

Sam Walton
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
Jeff Bezos
Sheldon Adelson
Sergey Brin
Larry Page
George Soros
Steve Ballmer
Paul Allen
Michael Dell
Phil Knight
Len Blavatnik
Jack Taylor
Mark Zuckerberg
Ross Perot
Charles Ergen
Pierre Omidyar
Eric Schmidt
James Goodnight
Patrick Soon-Shiong
Charles Butt

That's the short list of the first 50 richest people in the U.S. who are all SELF-MADE.
To see the other 350 richest people in the U.S. go tohttp://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-butt/
and continue searching looking for those who are SELF-MADE

That's why outspoken economists always dodge The Question, "Does free
speech precede each and every free trade?"

Since we do not live in a Muslim theocracy or socialism, free speech is a given. *See --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Con...

Planet Visitor II

Bret Cahill


"THE CONSERVATIVE " myth of the self made rich:40% of the Forbes 400
richest Americans inherited a sizeable asset from a spouse or family
member:How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?


Which means 60% are self-made. Considering that Europe's old rich number
around 80%, 60% self-made seems pretty good for capitalism.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-f...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3


How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?
By Robert Frank | CNBC*–*5 hours ago

And who is Robert Frank??? Oh, wait... Wikipedia has the answer ---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocksucker_Blues

Quote: "Cocksucker Blues is an unreleased documentary film directed by the
noted still photographer Robert Frank..." UNQUOTE.

ROTFLMAO.

Planet Visitor II

On Oct 11, 11:45*pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 11, 9:28 am, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill wrote:
The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Today's rich never acquired their wealth in a free market free trade
economy anyway, but through the artificial job shortage scam.

Sam Walton
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
Jeff Bezos
Sheldon Adelson
Sergey Brin
Larry Page
George Soros
Steve Ballmer
Paul Allen
Michael Dell
Phil Knight
Len Blavatnik
Jack Taylor
Mark Zuckerberg
Ross Perot
Charles Ergen
Pierre Omidyar
Eric Schmidt
James Goodnight
Patrick Soon-Shiong
Charles Butt

That's the short list of the first 50 richest people in the U.S. who are all SELF-MADE.
To see the other 350 richest people in the U.S. go tohttp://www.forbes..com/profile/charles-butt/
and continue searching looking for those who are SELF-MADE

That's why outspoken economists always dodge The Question, "Does free
speech precede each and every free trade?"

Since we do not live in a Muslim theocracy or socialism, free speech is a given. See --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Con...

Planet Visitor II

Bret Cahill

"THE CONSERVATIVE " myth of the self made rich:40% of the Forbes 400
richest Americans inherited a sizeable asset from a spouse or family
member:How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?

Which means 60% are self-made. *Considering that Europe's old rich number
around 80%, 60% self-made seems pretty good for capitalism.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-f...lf-204426982.h...

How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?
By Robert Frank | CNBC 5 hours ago

And who is Robert Frank??? *Oh, wait... Wikipedia has the answer ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocksucker_Blues

Quote: "Cocksucker Blues is an unreleased documentary film directed by the
noted still photographer Robert Frank..." *UNQUOTE.

ROTFLMAO.

Planet Visitor II

yet self made does not let them off the hook to pay their fair share
for the system that made them rich. attacking is not refuting. sorry
loser, i won again))

Common Wealth and the "Entirely Self-Made" Myth:An inconvenient Truth
Forbes and the economic class it represents would like us to forget
that wealth always depends on collective effort



http://www.satireandcomment.com/sc1107selfmademyth.html


Common Wealth and the "Entirely Self-Made" Myth
by Michael Schwalbe

(Michael Schwalbe is a professor of sociology at North Carolina State
University. This article is published with his permission.)
Managing Public Opinion
Every year since 1982 Forbes magazine has published a list of the 400
richest Americans. Anyone who wants to attach names and faces to the
abstract notion of a "ruling class" should pick up a copy of the
October 8, 2007, special issue. In profiling these richest of the
rich, Forbes serves its self-proclaimed function as a "capitalist
tool" -- not by offering advice on management strategies but by
helping to manage popular consciousness.
Such management is necessary in a country where 1% of the population
owns nearly 40% of the wealth. Lest this egregiously skewed
distribution of resources evoke too many moral qualms, Forbes assures
us, issue after issue, that economic inequality is the result of a
fair game in which the smartest and hardest-working naturally rise to
the top. Forbes tells us, for instance, that of those 400 richest
Americans, 270, or about two-thirds, are "entirely self-made."
Yes, they say "entirely."
The Self Made Myth
This doesn't mean, as one might think, that these fortunate folks came
from abject poverty and fought their way up. In fact, most of those
whom Forbes calls "entirely self-made" came from what working-class
Americans would see as country club backgrounds. Typically, these
billionaires (it takes $1.3 billion just to get on the list) came from
homes with abundant resources and well-educated parents, and they went
to top schools themselves. They are nearly all white.
What Forbes means by "entirely self-made" is that the fortunes were
not inherited but derived from business activity. Does this make the
Forbes definition of "entirely self-made" reasonable? After all, if
someone starts with modest resources, does well in business, and makes
a fortune, isn't it fair to attribute that wealth to individual merit?
Not really, though Forbes would like us to think so.
How "Self-Made" are these "Self-Made" muillionaires?
To see what's wrong with this idea, it's easiest to start with
criteria that ought to disqualify a person from claiming to be
"entirely self-made." After we've applied these criteria, we can see
who's left in the pool. So, then, let us scratch from the list of the
self-made anyone whose accumulation of wealth has been aided by any of
the following:

• Laws concerning property or contracts, and the public agencies that
enforce such laws
• Public schools or employees educated in public schools
• Employees or customers who rely on public transportation
• Roads, bridges, airports, sewers, water treatment plants, harbors,
or other utilities built and maintained at public expense
• Mail systems built and operated at public expense
• Public hospitals and government-licensed physicians
• Health and safety regulations created and enforced at public
expense
• Police and fire protection provided at public expense
• Public libraries and parks
• Any public amenities that add value to commercial or residential
real estate
• Government contracts
• Government-provided business incentives
• Regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Trade Commission or the
Securities and Exchange Commission, that sustain trust in the stock
market
• A government-granted license permitting the exclusive use of a
broadcast channel
• The Internet
• A form of currency legitimated and backed by a stable government
• Social welfare programs that keep the poor from rebelling
• The U.S. military
If we use these criteria to determine who can legitimately claim to be
"entirely self-made," the Forbes number drops dramatically. It's not
270 out of 400. In fact, it's precisely zero.
If not for the legal and political arrangements that we create and
maintain as a society -- with contributions from us all, costs to us
all, and benefits to us all -- and if not for what we call "the public
infrastructure," nobody could accumulate wealth. In short, there can
be no private wealth without common wealth.
An inconvenient Truth
Forbes and the economic class it represents would like us to forget
that wealth always depends on collective effort. Why? Because of what
the "entirely self-made" myth implies: If I have amassed a fortune
solely through my individual talent and hard work, then it is wrong
for the government to take any of it away. By further implication,
taxation is wrong, and progressive taxation is really wrong.
Casting "the government" as an evil entity that confiscates the fruits
of one's labors also serves the interests of the Forbes class. Working-
class and middle-class people who embrace this view are less likely to
take an interest in government as a means to build, protect, and
fairly employ the nation's common wealth. By helping to portray
government as the enemy of individual initiative and prosperity, the
"entirely self-made" myth thus also saps the spirit of democracy,
leaving government ever more in the control of the wealthy.
A Myth that hides class difference
In a competitive, individualistic society like the U.S., the "entirely
self-made" myth is seductive. It gives us the pleasure of taking
credit for our successes. It also mitigates the guilt that can come
from recognizing our own class privilege. The "entirely self-made"
myth is handy for both self-congratulation and self-absolution.
But we should reject the myth -- not just because it's wrong, but
because, unlike many other comforting myths about American society,
this one has especially pernicious consequences for democracy and
community. At worst, it can make us feel that we have no right to
democratic control of our common wealth.
If we recognize that all private wealth depends on our common wealth,
then we incur two obligations. One is to contribute our fair share --
and the bigger the rewards we derive from society, the bigger that
share should be. The other obligation is to participate in protecting
our common wealth and determining how it is used. We should not let
those decisions be made only by those who sell us a self-serving myth
and then laugh all the way to the bank.

Michael Schwalbe is sociology professor at North Carolina State
University.
His most recent book is:

Rigging the Game: How Inequality Is Reproduced in Everyday Life
(Oxford University Press).

He can be reached at .

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:37:34 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Oct 11, 11:45*pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 11, 9:28 am, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill wrote:
The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Today's rich never acquired their wealth in a free market free trade
economy anyway, but through the artificial job shortage scam.

Sam Walton
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
Jeff Bezos
Sheldon Adelson
Sergey Brin
Larry Page
George Soros
Steve Ballmer
Paul Allen
Michael Dell
Phil Knight
Len Blavatnik
Jack Taylor
Mark Zuckerberg
Ross Perot
Charles Ergen
Pierre Omidyar
Eric Schmidt
James Goodnight
Patrick Soon-Shiong
Charles Butt

That's the short list of the first 50 richest people in the U.S. who are all SELF-MADE.
To see the other 350 richest people in the U.S. go tohttp://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-butt/
and continue searching looking for those who are SELF-MADE

That's why outspoken economists always dodge The Question, "Does free
speech precede each and every free trade?"

Since we do not live in a Muslim theocracy or socialism, free speech is a given. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...ted_States_Con...

Planet Visitor II

Bret Cahill

"THE CONSERVATIVE " myth of the self made rich:40% of the Forbes 400
richest Americans inherited a sizeable asset from a spouse or family
member:How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?

Which means 60% are self-made. *Considering that Europe's old rich number
around 80%, 60% self-made seems pretty good for capitalism.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-f...lf-204426982.h...

How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?
By Robert Frank | CNBC 5 hours ago

And who is Robert Frank??? *Oh, wait... Wikipedia has the answer --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocksucker_Blues

Quote: "Cocksucker Blues is an unreleased documentary film directed by the
noted still photographer Robert Frank..." *UNQUOTE.

ROTFLMAO.

Planet Visitor II

yet self made does not let them off the hook to pay their fair share
for the system that made them rich. attacking is not refuting. sorry
loser, i won again))

Common Wealth and the "Entirely Self-Made" Myth:An inconvenient Truth
Forbes and the economic class it represents would like us to forget
that wealth always depends on collective effort

Apology accepted.


Planet Visitor II

On Oct 12, 10:32*pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:37:34 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:45 pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 11, 9:28 am, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill wrote:
The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes..

you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Today's rich never acquired their wealth in a free market free trade
economy anyway, but through the artificial job shortage scam.

Sam Walton
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
Jeff Bezos
Sheldon Adelson
Sergey Brin
Larry Page
George Soros
Steve Ballmer
Paul Allen
Michael Dell
Phil Knight
Len Blavatnik
Jack Taylor
Mark Zuckerberg
Ross Perot
Charles Ergen
Pierre Omidyar
Eric Schmidt
James Goodnight
Patrick Soon-Shiong
Charles Butt

That's the short list of the first 50 richest people in the U.S. who are all SELF-MADE.
To see the other 350 richest people in the U.S. go tohttp://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-butt/
and continue searching looking for those who are SELF-MADE

That's why outspoken economists always dodge The Question, "Does free
speech precede each and every free trade?"

Since we do not live in a Muslim theocracy or socialism, free speech is a given. Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Con...

Planet Visitor II

Bret Cahill

"THE CONSERVATIVE " myth of the self made rich:40% of the Forbes 400
richest Americans inherited a sizeable asset from a spouse or family
member:How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?

Which means 60% are self-made. Considering that Europe's old rich number
around 80%, 60% self-made seems pretty good for capitalism.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-f...lf-204426982.h....

How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?
By Robert Frank | CNBC 5 hours ago

And who is Robert Frank??? Oh, wait... Wikipedia has the answer --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocksucker_Blues



Quote: "Cocksucker Blues is an unreleased documentary film directed by the
noted still photographer Robert Frank..." UNQUOTE.

ROTFLMAO.

Planet Visitor II

yet self made does not let them off the hook to pay their fair share
for the system that made them rich. attacking is not refuting. sorry
loser, i won again))

Common Wealth and the "Entirely Self-Made" Myth:An inconvenient Truth
Forbes and the economic class it represents would like us to forget
that wealth always depends on collective effort

Apology accepted.

Planet Visitor II

no apology needed. you simply will not let reality trump
ideology)))))

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 22:29:27 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Oct 12, 10:32*pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:37:34 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:45 pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 11, 9:28 am, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill wrote:
The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay
taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe.
According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of
its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the
international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent.
America s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich
in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent),
and even Sweden (27 percent).

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/no-cou...come-household...

This conclusion is inconsistent with the liberal mantra that top
earners in the U.S. are not paying their "fair share" in taxes.

you are using statistics to lie as usual. as the wealthy get ever
richer, and the middle class disappears, more and more people are
removed from the tax rolls due to poverty, it skews upwards the
percentage of what the rich pay.
you are a wealth worshiping shill. you will be exposed as one also.

Today's rich never acquired their wealth in a free market free trade
economy anyway, but through the artificial job shortage scam.

Sam Walton
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
Jeff Bezos
Sheldon Adelson
Sergey Brin
Larry Page
George Soros
Steve Ballmer
Paul Allen
Michael Dell
Phil Knight
Len Blavatnik
Jack Taylor
Mark Zuckerberg
Ross Perot
Charles Ergen
Pierre Omidyar
Eric Schmidt
James Goodnight
Patrick Soon-Shiong
Charles Butt

That's the short list of the first 50 richest people in the U.S. who are all SELF-MADE.
To see the other 350 richest people in the U.S. go tohttp://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-butt/
and continue searching looking for those who are SELF-MADE

That's why outspoken economists always dodge The Question, "Does free
speech precede each and every free trade?"

Since we do not live in a Muslim theocracy or socialism, free speech is a given. Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Con...

Planet Visitor II

Bret Cahill

"THE CONSERVATIVE " myth of the self made rich:40% of the Forbes 400
richest Americans inherited a sizeable asset from a spouse or family
member:How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?

Which means 60% are self-made. Considering that Europe's old rich number
around 80%, 60% self-made seems pretty good for capitalism.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-f...lf-204426982.h...

How Many of Forbes 400 Are Really 'Self-Made'?
By Robert Frank | CNBC 5 hours ago

And who is Robert Frank??? Oh, wait... Wikipedia has the answer --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocksucker_Blues



Quote: "Cocksucker Blues is an unreleased documentary film directed by the
noted still photographer Robert Frank..." UNQUOTE.

ROTFLMAO.

Planet Visitor II

yet self made does not let them off the hook to pay their fair share
for the system that made them rich. attacking is not refuting. sorry
loser, i won again))

Common Wealth and the "Entirely Self-Made" Myth:An inconvenient Truth
Forbes and the economic class it represents would like us to forget
that wealth always depends on collective effort

Apology accepted.

Planet Visitor II

no apology needed.

I know. You could have instead offered something that might have made me work
for it. But you offered nothing less than an apology instead. I guess you had nothing
to work with.


you simply will not let reality trump ideology)))))

The only ideology here is your religious support for socialism, and hate for those who
have made something of themselves; believing they should simply give everything to
those such as you, living empty worthless lives as spendthrifts on other people's money.


Planet Visitor II