The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...

On Oct 8, 7:03 pm, "Tom K" wrote:
So, what's YOUR take on why cruise lines continue to have Formal Night?

--Tom

Tom, I don't have have an answer to that. Just an opinion. I
think its just been part of the tradition for so long they (Cruise
Lines) don't give any thought to discontinuing it. I think lines like
NCl are starting to notice that the older cruise based passengers are
being replaced by younger people who don't want to get dressed in
Formal Attire. Thus giving passengers the option of Formal or
Casual. The generations that are cruising now didn't grow up in the
era of Suits & Ties everyday. The ones who did grow up in that era
are no longer the majority of passengers today. Except maybe on HAL
or Cunard.
Somebody posted earlier that Formal Night was a good revenue
maker for the Photos they sell. The photographers like the gift shop
folks are not employees of the cruise line but a vendor. The only
revenue the cruise lines see is their rental space lease price. So
there goes that idea.

wrote:

Somebody posted earlier that Formal Night was a good revenue
maker for the Photos they sell. The photographers like the gift shop
folks are not employees of the cruise line but a vendor. The only
revenue the cruise lines see is their rental space lease price. So
there goes that idea.

Do you have a link that says that is a fact? And even if it is,
I find it hard to believe that the cruise line would not get a
cut of their sales. I know the art auction folks are a vendor
but had no idea about the photographers or gift shops.

Bill

Bill wrote:

wrote:

Somebody posted earlier that Formal Night was a good revenue
maker for the Photos they sell. The photographers like the gift shop
folks are not employees of the cruise line but a vendor. The only
revenue the cruise lines see is their rental space lease price. So
there goes that idea.


Do you have a link that says that is a fact? And even if it is,
I find it hard to believe that the cruise line would not get a
cut of their sales. I know the art auction folks are a vendor
but had no idea about the photographers or gift shops.

Bill

Here are a couple:

http://www.image.com/

http://www.oitechsupport.com/index.p...12&Itemi d=26

Definitely a concession item. No idea of the actual business terms.

~ Peri

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On Oct 8, 7:03 pm, "Tom K" wrote:
So, what's YOUR take on why cruise lines continue to have Formal Night?

--Tom

Tom, I don't have have an answer to that. Just an opinion. I
think its just been part of the tradition for so long they (Cruise
Lines) don't give any thought to discontinuing it. I think lines like
NCl are starting to notice that the older cruise based passengers are
being replaced by younger people who don't want to get dressed in
Formal Attire. Thus giving passengers the option of Formal or
Casual. The generations that are cruising now didn't grow up in the
era of Suits & Ties everyday. The ones who did grow up in that era
are no longer the majority of passengers today. Except maybe on HAL
or Cunard.
Somebody posted earlier that Formal Night was a good revenue
maker for the Photos they sell. The photographers like the gift shop
folks are not employees of the cruise line but a vendor. The only
revenue the cruise lines see is their rental space lease price. So
there goes that idea.

That's not necessarily a good assumption... that they only revenue they see
is the space lease price. My guess (only a guess, albeit an educated guess
from a business perspective) is that they pay the photographers a minimum
fee, and pocket the majority of the photo sales. If it wasn't highly
profitable, they'd figure out how to make it profitable. Let's say they
started from the perspective of doing their own photos way in the past. The
only reason you "job it out" to a third party is that they're even
cheaper... meaning you make even more money. I think formal night photos
are HIGHLY lucrative.

--Tom

"Surfer E2468" wrote in message
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When they have formal nights on the ship,they usually have the captain's
party,which after 45 cruises we do not even go to,rather sit and have a
quiet drink and listen to some soft music.They can keep their couple
free watered down drinks,we wil buy ours and enjoy them more



cruise lover


At the next captains party try requesting a glass of wine or bottle of beer
rather than one of the pre mixed drinks that have been sitting there for an
hour.

"Neal Eckhardt" wrote in message
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Let's not forget the Christmas cards for people you see almost every day.
You wouldn't want to offend them.

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"Boomer" wrote:

"Surfer E2468" wrote in message
...
When they have formal nights on the ship,they usually have the captain's
party,which after 45 cruises we do not even go to,rather sit and have a
quiet drink and listen to some soft music.They can keep their couple
free watered down drinks,we wil buy ours and enjoy them more



cruise lover


At the next captains party try requesting a glass of wine or bottle of beer
rather than one of the pre mixed drinks that have been sitting there for an
hour.

I did both on the last two RCCL (Legend and Voyager). It took a
little longer to get them, but they still came. About the same time we
finished the watered down rum punch they gave us.

On Oct 9, 12:46 am, wrote:
I think lines like
NCl are starting to notice that the older cruise based passengers are
being replaced by younger people who don't want to get dressed in
Formal Attire.

I think it's the other way around - it's the older folks who are more
resistant to dressing up. Just my opinion...based on what's been said
on rtc and from personal observations.

Lee

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:46:40 -0700, wrote:

Somebody posted earlier that Formal Night was a good revenue
maker for the Photos they sell. The photographers like the gift shop
folks are not employees of the cruise line but a vendor. The only
revenue the cruise lines see is their rental space lease price. So
there goes that idea.

Hi Everyone,

The above is not how the business works. The cruise lines do not
receive just a "rental space lease price". It is definitely in the
cruise lines best interest for the photography to sell lots of photos.

Best regards,
Ray
LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL
800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905
http://www.lighthousetravel.com
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On Oct 8, 7:30 pm, Ike wrote:

I won't miss formal nights and won't sail on a line that insists
on that dress code, yet even on the most laid back ship I'll
wear a tweed jacket to evening meals.

Tweed in the Caribbean? That, I can't see. Perhaps a nice linen sport
coat or something like that. Tweed just screams winter and cold
weather to me.

Lee