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Old March 1st, 2006, 08:34 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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"Dave Baker" wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:44:08 +0800, "....lobert...."
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Surely, he is better than those military men who took power by force.


Not necessarily. How he took power is one thing, but as far as running the
show I'd say he is one of the worst.

He stand for democratic election and has landslide victory.


It just goes to show how stupid & easily bribed the majority of ANY
country
is. Promise them 1 million baht per village & 30 baht medical & of course
you
will get a landslide victory. Whether it totally wrecks the country 2
generations down the road isn't on the minds of most voters.

He represent the
party and the people elected him as PM. He has largely delivered on his
promises to revive Thailand's fortunes after the 1997 Asian financial
crisis


You must be reading different reports than me.

I'm sorry, but I haven't liked the guy from Day 1. He's gone about
"fixing"
the drug problem by arbitrarily bumping off 2000 people including
undoubtedly
innocent people - no change in the drug problem.

He's been ham-fisted in trying to solve the problems in the South, and
undoubtedly made them worse.

He's either stupid or corrupt as far as his business dealings & shuffling
about of shares go, and he's not stupid.

Dave


He is, of course, NOT stupid, otherwise he would not have cash his shares
"just in case" the situation turn bad for him. We are looking from different
angle but Thailand did improved for the last few years until the South
Thailand problem.


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Old March 1st, 2006, 08:52 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:34:21 +0800, "....lobert...." wrote:

"Dave Baker" wrote in message


He's either stupid or corrupt as far as his business dealings & shuffling
about of shares go, and he's not stupid.


He is, of course, NOT stupid,


I think you get my meaning. :-)

otherwise he would not have cash his shares "just in case" the situation turn bad for him.


Well, I'm talking also about more distant events - the passing of many shares
to his housekeeper, maid, driver and guard. One would have to be a very good
maid to deserve being given 160 million baht worth of shares! :-)

We are looking from different
angle but Thailand did improved for the last few years until the South
Thailand problem.


Improved in what way? Was it better in any way than any other S.E.A. economy
over the last few years? If not, then any success can't necessarily be
attributed to Thaksin. Are the 30 baht medical schemes & the million baht per
village providing any real benefits apart from winning votes?
http://www.bangkokpost.net/ecoreviewye2004/health.html
http://www.chiangmai-mail.com/012/news.shtml#hd5

Dave
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 02:24 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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Chabon 19 wrote:
michael wrote:


You mean that Sondhi Limthongkul is a good man ? Thanksin was rich before he became PM.


Again: you talk what you know, Taksin became only really rich when in
Giovernment - before only a small sales man.


...in 2000, when thaksin was "only a small sales man" Shin Corp had
assets of around 38,000 million baht and Shin Sat had around 12,000
million...

talking what you know, obviously not your specialty, is better than
talking out your ass, which you apparently excel at...


michael



Khun Michael: Taksin was since 98 in Government - eat your words now!


khun chabon: thaksin's time "in government" goes back to '94... i was
supporting lobert's statement that thaksin was rich before he became
PM... so, you eat your words... and think very carefully about where
they come from as you do...in '98, Shin Corp and Shin Sat had combined
assets of around 38,000 million baht, by the way...

michael

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Old March 2nd, 2006, 02:28 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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maxwell wrote:
"....lobert...." wrote in message
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Then stand for election and not to fight like gangster outside parliament!
This is not democracy! See how the people fight against their presidents in
US - Nixon and Clinton, they used the constitutional way.

Sorry (not) to burst your silly bubble, but:
1. It was not the people of the US who fought against Clinton (he was VERY
popular), but a coalition of opposition politicians in Congress (with help
from a special prosecutor whose agenda reached far beyond his appointed
duties) who fought against Clinton.
2. While it WAS Constitutional methods that pushed Nixon toward resigning
office, Nixon's presidential actions were also opposed by MILLIONS who took
part in many public demonstrations of protest nationwide.
Oh, and I suppose your "hang Sondhi" is an expression of support for rule by
Law?
. .nuff said !~!

"My Hobby" wrote in message
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This is democracy in action, where the public can force government change
through political protest, in this case lead by Sonthi. The rule of law is
what has been called into question by Thaksin's alleged despotism. A coup is
inappropriate - public pressure and political action according to the
constitution might be a little slow but it is the right way.
"....lobert...." wrote in message
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Hang that Sondhi Limthongkul and solve the problem. Thaksin is an
elected leader of the country.
Sondhi should not fight like a gangster outside the parliament or court
if he believe in democracy and rule of law
Gen Panlop should be sacked. Instead of talking nonsense, he should be
making sure no riot is allowed.

snip

1. It was not the people of the US who fought against Clinton (he was
VERY
popular)


*****Only the shameless liberals would claim received a mere 24% votes
of the total eligible voters as very popular!

Noi

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Old March 2nd, 2006, 04:18 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:25:50 GMT, michael wrote:

Dave Baker wrote:

It just goes to show how stupid & easily bribed the majority of ANY country
is. Promise them 1 million baht per village & 30 baht medical & of course you
will get a landslide victory. Whether it totally wrecks the country 2
generations down the road isn't on the minds of most voters.


which statement pretty much sums up what you think of democracy, right?


Most thinking people do.

The only problem is - there isn't anything better.

Dave
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 04:38 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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"....lobert...." wrote ...
"a coalition of opposition politicians in Congress " are not people?


nice try at twisting words about--all hope not lost yet.




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Old March 2nd, 2006, 04:44 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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"Noi" wrote ...
maxwell wrote:
1. It was not the people of the US who fought against Clinton (he was

VERY popular)

*****Only the shameless liberals would claim received a mere 24% votes of

the total eligible voters as very popular!

Surely even you could make the point that winners are more popular than
losers without having to call names.
Have you been taking lessons from Tchiowa, or does having a weak argument
make you feel like cursing? ;~)

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Old March 2nd, 2006, 08:58 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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"Dave Baker" wrote in message
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On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:25:50 GMT, michael wrote:

Dave Baker wrote:

It just goes to show how stupid & easily bribed the majority of ANY
country
is. Promise them 1 million baht per village & 30 baht medical & of
course you
will get a landslide victory. Whether it totally wrecks the country 2
generations down the road isn't on the minds of most voters.


which statement pretty much sums up what you think of democracy, right?


Most thinking people do.

The only problem is - there isn't anything better.



People who are easily satified may not be stupid, they are happy people.
On the other hand, if they are stupid as you said, are you also saying that
they don't deserved to cast the vote and elect their own government.


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Old March 2nd, 2006, 09:03 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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"maxwell" wrote in message
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"....lobert...." wrote ...
"a coalition of opposition politicians in Congress " are not people?


nice try at twisting words about--all hope not lost yet.



twisting word - Thaksin has also believed he is voted and like by most
people and only a small group of people are fighting against him.


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Old March 2nd, 2006, 09:42 AM posted to soc.culture.thai,rec.travel.asia,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.singapore
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:58:56 +0800, "....lobert...." wrote:


"Dave Baker" wrote in message


will get a landslide victory. Whether it totally wrecks the country 2
generations down the road isn't on the minds of most voters.


which statement pretty much sums up what you think of democracy, right?


Most thinking people do.


The only problem is - there isn't anything better.


People who are easily satified may not be stupid, they are happy people.


My point was - will their grandchildren be happy? Politicians & far too many
voters can't see past the next 3 years & the next carrot dangled in front of
them. Singapore is giving away how much cash away this election year - mere
coincidence? :-) Surely elections should be based on who can do the job best
(given equal opportunity), not

On the other hand, if they are stupid as you said, are you also saying that
they don't deserved to cast the vote and elect their own government.


As I also said - although it's a crap system, any alternatives are more crap.
One could say that a dictatorship stops the stupid people from influencing
the vote, but the problem comes when you get a stupid dictator. At least with
stupid voters, they tend to cancel each other out somewhat, or eventually
come to their senses - usually a few years too late.

Dave
 




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