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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
B Vaughan wrote: On 14 Jul 2006 12:01:22 -0700, "Hooverphonic" wrote: I was under the impression the population of Africa was declining (Bob Geldof), but JC thinks its increasing. Who is correct ?? You must have misunderstood. The population of Africa is certainly not declining. The birth rate is declining, but it's still well above replacement level. Maybe you heard birth rate and thought population? You must have misunderstood. always possible but if I look at what is on the news about Africa its always doom and gloom from a people / wildlife / environment perspective. if the population is going up there will only be less to go round and they will remain in poverty, with wildlife and environment suffering the consequences. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
Hooverphonic writes:
if the population is going up there will only be less to go round and they will remain in poverty, with wildlife and environment suffering the consequences. Correct. That's the problem with overpopulation anywhere (including on the planet as a whole). -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On 15 Jul 2006 00:59:51 -0700, Hooverphonic wrote:
but if I look at what is on the news about Africa its always doom and gloom from a people / wildlife / environment perspective. That's unrealistic. In Kenya, to give just one example, tourism is alive and well. Lodges are expanding all over the place. This is probably good for the wildlife. if the population is going up there will only be less to go round and they will remain in poverty, with wildlife and environment suffering the consequences. In the very long run you will be right, but in the medium term this is not necessarily so. The point is that productivity can rise along with the population. In other words, quality economic growth can improve the economic situation even with moderate population growth. I think that new wealth cannot come from highly inefficient agriculture on poor soils. Only industrialization can take the economy forward. This is already happening at a large scale in Kenya, where you now have a sizable middle class in the cities, and most of the newly well-off don't get their wealth from agriculture at all---people work in factories and offices. Hans-Georg -- No mail, please. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On 15 Jul 2006 00:59:51 -0700, "Hooverphonic"
wrote: if the population is going up there will only be less to go round Rubbish, whilst there is not an infinite amount of resources, there is certainly more than enough for much larger population than the earth has now. Jim. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
Jim Ley wrote: On 15 Jul 2006 00:59:51 -0700, "Hooverphonic" wrote: if the population is going up there will only be less to go round Rubbish, whilst there is not an infinite amount of resources, there is certainly more than enough for much larger population than the earth has now. Jim. reducing the population would resolve all the other worldly problems that we face. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On 15 Jul 2006 04:57:19 -0700, "Hooverphonic"
wrote: Jim Ley wrote: On 15 Jul 2006 00:59:51 -0700, "Hooverphonic" wrote: if the population is going up there will only be less to go round Rubbish, whilst there is not an infinite amount of resources, there is certainly more than enough for much larger population than the earth has now. reducing the population would resolve all the other worldly problems that we face. No it wouldn't, killing all pensioners would lead to a knowledge deficit, and lack of cheap support for workers. Killing a large proportion of the middle aged, would lead to no-one to do the work to keep everyone else alive, and killing all the children (or stopping more children being born) would do nothing to provide for those middle group of people when they grew old. I suppose you could selectively kill people, based on some sort of testing, or maybe ethnic origin to reduce the impact, but I can hardly see that as a way to resolve problems. Jim. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
Jim Ley wrote: On 15 Jul 2006 04:57:19 -0700, "Hooverphonic" wrote: Jim Ley wrote: On 15 Jul 2006 00:59:51 -0700, "Hooverphonic" wrote: if the population is going up there will only be less to go round Rubbish, whilst there is not an infinite amount of resources, there is certainly more than enough for much larger population than the earth has now. reducing the population would resolve all the other worldly problems that we face. No it wouldn't, killing all pensioners would lead to a knowledge deficit, and lack of cheap support for workers. Killing a large proportion of the middle aged, would lead to no-one to do the work to keep everyone else alive, and killing all the children (or stopping more children being born) would do nothing to provide for those middle group of people when they grew old. I suppose you could selectively kill people, based on some sort of testing, or maybe ethnic origin to reduce the impact, but I can hardly see that as a way to resolve problems. I was thinking, tackle the problem at source, i.e. have less kids. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
Jim Ley writes:
Rubbish, whilst there is not an infinite amount of resources, there is certainly more than enough for much larger population than the earth has now. How much, exactly, and with what standard of living? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
Hooverphonic writes:
reducing the population would resolve all the other worldly problems that we face. Perhaps not all, but certainly a very large number of them. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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