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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and
I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. |
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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
On 31/07/10 09:14, Cliff Bott wrote:
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. Travel by air. |
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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
"Cliff Bott" wrote in message d.com... I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services: AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several weeks ahead. CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you select the right options). STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement. Tim |
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On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote:
"Cliff wrote in message d.com... I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services: AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several weeks ahead. CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you select the right options). STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement. If he has limited time it is better to fly. It could even be cheaper. |
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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
"Martin" wrote in message ... On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote: "Cliff wrote in message d.com... I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services: AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several weeks ahead. CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you select the right options). STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement. If he has limited time it is better to fly. An overnight train costs little real time. tim |
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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message ... On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote: "Cliff wrote in message d.com... I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services: AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several weeks ahead. CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you select the right options). STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement. If he has limited time it is better to fly. An overnight train costs little real time. Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with a normal 2nd class train ticket. If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for long distances. |
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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
Martin wrote on Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:27:26 +0200:
On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote: wrote in message ... On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote: "Cliff wrote in message d.com... I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services: AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several weeks ahead. CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you select the right options). STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement. If he has limited time it is better to fly. An overnight train costs little real time. Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with a normal 2nd class train ticket. If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for long distances. Not just "dead" but grubby and with wrinkled clothes if you can't check into a hotel when you arrive. There are sleeper trains with showers but I can't speak about those routes. I have often wondered what advantage there is supposed to be about those fully reclining first class seats to Dubai, Japan and Europe. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
Keep on wondering
"James Silverton" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion : ... Martin wrote on Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:27:26 +0200: On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote: wrote in message ... On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote: "Cliff wrote in message d.com... I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services: AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several weeks ahead. CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you select the right options). STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement. If he has limited time it is better to fly. An overnight train costs little real time. Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with a normal 2nd class train ticket. If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for long distances. Not just "dead" but grubby and with wrinkled clothes if you can't check into a hotel when you arrive. There are sleeper trains with showers but I can't speak about those routes. I have often wondered what advantage there is supposed to be about those fully reclining first class seats to Dubai, Japan and Europe. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo
On 31/07/10 15:55, James Silverton wrote:
Martin wrote on Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:27:26 +0200: On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote: wrote in message ... On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote: "Cliff wrote in message d.com... I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but time is of concern as well. All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services: AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several weeks ahead. CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you select the right options). STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement. If he has limited time it is better to fly. An overnight train costs little real time. Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with a normal 2nd class train ticket. If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for long distances. Not just "dead" but grubby and with wrinkled clothes if you can't check into a hotel when you arrive. I tried it once with a first class sleeper ticket from Toulouse to Paris. The train started shortly before midnight, the carriage rolled the whole way, I had difficulty sleeping and worse still the train arrived in Paris sometime around 5:30 am. I crossed Paris caught the connecting train which got me to The Hague around 1pm. I felt dreadful. Never again! There are sleeper trains with showers but I can't speak about those routes. I have often wondered what advantage there is supposed to be about those fully reclining first class seats to Dubai, Japan and Europe. I had one on a business class intercontinental flight with Air France flight I slept like a log and woke up with a hang over. |
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