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Black Confederates in the Civil War
On Nov 25, 4:38*am, chatnoir wrote:
"THE CONSERVATIVE" will do anything in a attempt to show that slavery is really in the best interests of the slave. "THE CONSERVATIVES" even used crank economics to defend slavery, such as that the freeing of slaves was a confiscation of private property. |
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Black Confederates in the Civil War
On Nov 25, 8:51*am, mikeos wrote:
On 25/11/2012 10:38, chatnoir wrote: * * The idea of black Confederates appeals to present-day neo- * Confederates, who are eager to find ways to defend the principles of * the Confederate States of America. They say the Civil War was about * states rights, and they wish to minimize the role of slavery in a * vanished and romantic antebellum South. Sure it was about "states rights". The right to oppress a minority and enslave them. Where's the contradiction? of course its also unconstitutional. |
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Black Confederates in the Civil War
On Nov 25, 9:08*am, Bret Cahill wrote:
* The idea of black Confederates appeals to present-day neo- * Confederates, who are eager to find ways to defend the principles of * the Confederate States of America. They say the Civil War was about * states rights, and they wish to minimize the role of slavery in a * vanished and romantic antebellum South. Sure it was about "states rights". The right to oppress a minority and enslave them. Where's the contradiction? In any controversy between federal power vs states rights the Supreme Court should go with states rights when it comes to individual freedom, i.e., How do you get individual freedom with slavery? Oregon's assisted suicide, and with federal power when it comes to minority rights. Jefferson, anticipating the Civil War, warned everyone on all sides to try to avoid that controversy in the first place. And, no, looneytarians, there is no "induhvidualist right" in the constitution to not pay federal taxes. Bret Cahill "I've never heard anyone complain about provencial liberties." "The greatest danger to democracy is the tyranny of the majority." -- Tocqueville |
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Black Confederates in the Civil War
On Nov 25, 7:51*am, mikeos wrote:
On 25/11/2012 10:38, chatnoir wrote: * * The idea of black Confederates appeals to present-day neo- * Confederates, who are eager to find ways to defend the principles of * the Confederate States of America. They say the Civil War was about * states rights, and they wish to minimize the role of slavery in a * vanished and romantic antebellum South. Sure it was about "states rights". The right to oppress a minority and enslave them. Where's the contradiction? Just that one was used to justify the other! |
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Black Confederates in the Civil War
Black Confederates in the Civil War
"Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason- Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910” Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started back in 1865. ..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized “by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history of the South.” google any portion of the above to retrieve the source *there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough to go against their own best self interests. They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage slaves here on newsgroups. Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. As Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom itself." The reverse is also true. To restore freedom they will need to overcome the habits of servitude. This will only be slightly less difficult. Bret Cahill |
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Black Confederates in the Civil War
On Nov 25, 11:49*am, Bret Cahill wrote:
Black Confederates in the Civil War "Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason- Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910” Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started back in 1865. ..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized “by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history of the South.” google any portion of the above to retrieve the source *there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough to go against their own best self interests. They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage slaves here on newsgroups. Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. *As Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom itself." The reverse is also true. *To restore freedom they will need to overcome the habits of servitude. *This will only be slightly less difficult. Bret Cahill its hard to get a dog to say no to treats. |
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Black Confederates in the Civil War
Black Confederates in the Civil War
"Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason- Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910” Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started back in 1865. ..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized “by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history of the South.” google any portion of the above to retrieve the source *there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough to go against their own best self interests. They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage slaves here on newsgroups. Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. *As Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom itself." The reverse is also true. *To restore freedom they will need to overcome the habits of servitude. *This will only be slightly less difficult. Bret Cahill *its hard to get a dog to say no to treats. But the tire biters here aren't getting any treats. They are just idiots, even more stupid than most dogs. That is obvious by the way Karl Rove and Mittens were willing to toss the wingers under the bus. That's why the legacy media thinks Teaparty is 100% racist -- there isn't anything else in it for them. Actually only about half are racists. The rest are so stupid they think they'll get a biscuit when Koch is much more likely to offer us money to STFU. Bret Cahill |
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Black Confederates in the Civil War
On Nov 25, 9:04*pm, Bret Cahill wrote:
Black Confederates in the Civil War "Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason- Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910” Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started back in 1865. ..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized “by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history of the South.” google any portion of the above to retrieve the source *there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough to go against their own best self interests. They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage slaves here on newsgroups. Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. *As Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom itself." The reverse is also true. *To restore freedom they will need to overcome the habits of servitude. *This will only be slightly less difficult. Bret Cahill *its hard to get a dog to say no to treats. But the tire biters here aren't getting any treats. *They are just idiots, even more stupid than most dogs. agreed. but that carrot and stick thingy has worked for decades. one has to wonder how long it takes to get thru the denseness? That is obvious by the way Karl Rove and Mittens were willing to toss the wingers under the bus. plan b was to steal ohio, then va. and florida. That's why the legacy media thinks Teaparty is 100% racist -- there isn't anything else in it for them. true, not all of them are racists, but all of them are stupid. Actually only about half are racists. *The rest are so stupid they think they'll get a biscuit when Koch is much more likely to offer us money to STFU. agreed. Bret Cahill |
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