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Old February 8th, 2004, 01:03 AM
Douglas Berry
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:27:03 -0600, a stranger
called by some "E.E.Bud Keith" came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

And just what is that we call you, the guy was not harming a sole but you
compassionate liberals go for the jugular


That's "soul."

When I fly, I'm paying the airline to transport me from point A to
point B in a safe, comfortable manner. Being a captive audience when
the religious nutso pilot pretty much tells the Christians on the
plane to bug the non-Christians for the entire flight would **** me
off.. I'd file a lawsuit against American had I been on that flight.

just because you disagree with him. So he made and announcement but no one
was forced to do as he suggested. You jack ass libs are always spouting
about peace and dialogs, perhaps all he was attempting to do was create and
atmosphere in which people might talk to and learn from each other. But of
course biased people like you would not even consider that, off with his
head, right?


I've spoken with hundreds of people about their faiths.. but the way
the pilot phrased it, it was an invatation to harass people who could
not get away.

I was amused that the captain had just returned from a mission to
Costa Rica.. an area which has been 95% Catholic for four centuries.
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Old February 8th, 2004, 01:24 AM
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rom wrote in message ...
American Airlines pilot suggests passengers discuss Christianity
Associated Press

NEW YORK - An American Airlines pilot flying passengers to New York asked
Christians on board to identify themselves and suggested the non-Christians
discuss the faith with them, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline
said Saturday.

Flight 34 was headed from Los Angeles to John F. Kennedy Airport on Friday
afternoon, said spokesman Tim Wagner. The pilot, whose identity was not
released, had been making flight announcements and then asked that the
Christians on board raise their hands, Wagner said.

The pilot told the airline that he then suggested the other passengers use the
flight time to talk to the identified Christians about their faith, Wagner said.

The pilot later told passengers he would be available at the end of the flight
to talk about his first announcement.

Wagner said the airline was investigating the incident, and that the company had
guidelines about appropriate behavior. He said the pilot had just returned to
work from a weeklong mission trip to Costa Rica.

"It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be
appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job," Wagner said.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/...te/7900122.htm



He should be fired. He was using his position as a pilot to try and
convert people to his religion, which is an inappropriate use of his
position.

Diederik
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Old February 8th, 2004, 01:28 AM
pan
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:03:50 GMT, Douglas Berry
wrote:

(snip)
I've spoken with hundreds of people about their faiths.. but the way
the pilot phrased it, it was an invatation to harass people who could
not get away.



I was amused that the captain had just returned from a mission to
Costa Rica.. an area which has been 95% Catholic for four centuries.


To many evangelical Christians that means that at least 95% of the
Costa Ricans aren't 'real' Christians.


pan

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Old February 8th, 2004, 01:42 AM
BTR1701
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In article .net,
"None" wrote:

Great, another xtian freak just chomping at the bit to **** off the next
rag head who's bound and determined to teach a whole plane load of "infidels"
all about Allah! That little announcement would be all it would take to
push any hanky head over the edge.


Well, I'm an atheist myself but I think it's ridiculous to suggest we as
Americans should censor ourselves and give up our rights to discuss
matters openly and freely because we might tick off a terrorist.

I'm certainly not going to keep silent because some religious whack-job
might get worked up over something I say.
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Old February 8th, 2004, 01:44 AM
BTR1701
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In article , Douglas Berry
wrote:

Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:27:03 -0600, a stranger
called by some "E.E.Bud Keith" came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

And just what is that we call you, the guy was not harming a sole but
you compassionate liberals go for the jugular


That's "soul."

When I fly, I'm paying the airline to transport me from point A to
point B in a safe, comfortable manner. Being a captive audience when
the religious nutso pilot pretty much tells the Christians on the
plane to bug the non-Christians for the entire flight would **** me
off.. I'd file a lawsuit against American had I been on that flight.


You could file a lawsuit but you'd have no grounds for it. American
Airlines is a private company. They can plaster the inside of their
airplane cabins with bible verses if that's what they want to do.
  #16  
Old February 8th, 2004, 01:46 AM
Ninure Saunders
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In article , "E.E.Bud Keith"
wrote:

wrote in message
-news - On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:56:45 +0000, rom wrote:
-
- American Airlines pilot suggests passengers discuss Christianity
- Associated Press
-
- NEW YORK - An American Airlines pilot flying passengers to New York asked
- Christians on board to identify themselves and suggested the
-non-Christians
- discuss the faith with them, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based
-airline
- said Saturday.
-
- Flight 34 was headed from Los Angeles to John F. Kennedy Airport on
-Friday
- afternoon, said spokesman Tim Wagner. The pilot, whose identity was not
- released, had been making flight announcements and then asked that the
- Christians on board raise their hands, Wagner said.
-
- The pilot told the airline that he then suggested the other passengers
-use the
- flight time to talk to the identified Christians about their faith,
-Wagner said.
-
- The pilot later told passengers he would be available at the end of the
-flight
- to talk about his first announcement.
-
- Wagner said the airline was investigating the incident, and that the
-company had
- guidelines about appropriate behavior. He said the pilot had just
-returned to
- work from a weeklong mission trip to Costa Rica.
-
- "It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be
- appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job," Wagner
-said.
-
- http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/...te/7900122.htm
-
-
- Darn, I was going to post this with the header "Jebus makes pilot lose
- job...claims he'll live on the love of the Lard."
-
- And he will lose his job...can't have the mentally unstable in such a
- position. I wouldn't fly on his plane, and I will send an email to AA
- to that effect.
-
- zamboni
-
-And just what is that we call you, the guy was not harming a sole but you
-compassionate liberals go for the jugular
-just because you disagree with him. So he made and announcement but no one
-was forced to do as he suggested. You jack ass libs are always spouting
-about peace and dialogs, perhaps all he was attempting to do was create and
-atmosphere in which people might talk to and learn from each other. But of
-course biased people like you would not even consider that, off with his
-head, right?

WOW!!

That little tirade is a perfect example of "Cjristian love in action"..yes
sireeeee!!

Why do you aszume the people who have a problem with this are "liberals"?

And suppose that instead of being a Christian, the pilot was
aMoslem..would you be so supportive of him?

Somehow I doubt it.

Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk

The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk

My Yahoo Group
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My Online Diary
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Old February 8th, 2004, 02:32 AM
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"Leon Bronstein" wrote i
This is not an issue of injury or retribution. It's an issue of
professionalism. What if the pilot started talking about Allah and Islam?



Heck, imagine if the pilot had been Madelyn O'Hair and she did the same
thing . . . geez, I'd pay full price for a ticket on that plane just for the
entertainment . . .
--Tock



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Old February 8th, 2004, 02:41 AM
Vox Humana
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"E.E.Bud Keith" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
news
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:56:45 +0000, rom wrote:

American Airlines pilot suggests passengers discuss Christianity
Associated Press

NEW YORK - An American Airlines pilot flying passengers to New York

asked
Christians on board to identify themselves and suggested the

non-Christians
discuss the faith with them, a spokesman for the Fort Worth,

Texas-based
airline
said Saturday.

Flight 34 was headed from Los Angeles to John F. Kennedy Airport on

Friday
afternoon, said spokesman Tim Wagner. The pilot, whose identity was not
released, had been making flight announcements and then asked that the
Christians on board raise their hands, Wagner said.

The pilot told the airline that he then suggested the other passengers

use the
flight time to talk to the identified Christians about their faith,

Wagner said.

The pilot later told passengers he would be available at the end of the

flight
to talk about his first announcement.

Wagner said the airline was investigating the incident, and that the

company had
guidelines about appropriate behavior. He said the pilot had just

returned to
work from a weeklong mission trip to Costa Rica.

"It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not

be
appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job," Wagner

said.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/...te/7900122.htm



Darn, I was going to post this with the header "Jebus makes pilot lose
job...claims he'll live on the love of the Lard."

And he will lose his job...can't have the mentally unstable in such a
position. I wouldn't fly on his plane, and I will send an email to AA
to that effect.

zamboni


And just what is that we call you, the guy was not harming a sole but you
compassionate liberals go for the jugular
just because you disagree with him.


The last thing I want is to be forced to sit next to a stranger for hours
and discuss religion. The pilot has the ability to turn on the seatbelt
light and force all the passengers to remain in their seats. Secondly, with
all the craziness going on in the world I don't want to declare my religion,
or lack of, on an airplane. I do think there was some harm possible. I
think that requesting that passengers discuss controversial matters
increases the likelihood of air rage.


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Old February 8th, 2004, 02:50 AM
None
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"BTR1701" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
"None" wrote:

Great, another xtian freak just chomping at the bit to **** off the next
rag head who's bound and determined to teach a whole plane load of

"infidels"
all about Allah! That little announcement would be all it would take to
push any hanky head over the edge.


Well, I'm an atheist myself but I think it's ridiculous to suggest we as
Americans should censor ourselves and give up our rights to discuss
matters openly and freely because we might tick off a terrorist.

I'm certainly not going to keep silent because some religious whack-job
might get worked up over something I say.


This was different. This was a pilot with a captive passenger load, who was
inviting those onboard who WERE xtians to bend the ears of those who
weren't, most likey for the duration of the flight.

I would have sued if I had been on that flight. If they don't fire his ass,
the fall-out will be a lot more than people would think.


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Old February 8th, 2004, 02:51 AM
None
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"BTR1701" wrote in message
...
In article , Douglas Berry
wrote:

Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:27:03 -0600, a stranger
called by some "E.E.Bud Keith" came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

And just what is that we call you, the guy was not harming a sole but
you compassionate liberals go for the jugular


That's "soul."

When I fly, I'm paying the airline to transport me from point A to
point B in a safe, comfortable manner. Being a captive audience when
the religious nutso pilot pretty much tells the Christians on the
plane to bug the non-Christians for the entire flight would **** me
off.. I'd file a lawsuit against American had I been on that flight.


You could file a lawsuit but you'd have no grounds for it. American
Airlines is a private company. They can plaster the inside of their
airplane cabins with bible verses if that's what they want to do.


Sorry, they are a PUBLIC company, publicly traded on the stock exchange, and
HEAVILY regulated by the FAA and the DOT.


 




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