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AJC wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:39:29 -0500, nobody wrote: Where the airline should be held responsible is in using some inadequate airfield. They could have diverted to Portland, Victoria or Vancouver and not wait until they had runned out of fuel and needing to land at the nearest piece of runway they could find. In fact, in hindsight, they would have been better off landing at vancouver and busing passengers to seattle, or land at victoria and hop on the ferry to seattle. Surely this wasn't the only intl flight coming into Seattle ? How di dother flights get handled ? I believe one issue is that it was a DC10 and therefore unable to land when other better equipped aircraft could have done. From what I've read elsewhere, if it had been one of NW's new A330s they could have landed at SEA. But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't have landed at an airport equipped to deal with the customs issues. PDX had gorgeous weather that day. They could have landed there. |
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"Lorzling" wrote in message
... But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't have landed at an airport equipped to deal with the customs issues. PDX had gorgeous weather that day. They could have landed there. Exactly. The point is to get people to their point, then let them off. Period. Take care of it, whatever it takes. If people want to pay for the privelage of being kidnapped, they could fly to the Middle East and volunteer for the privelage. |
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"Lorzling" wrote in message
... But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't have landed at an airport equipped to deal with the customs issues. PDX had gorgeous weather that day. They could have landed there. Exactly. The point is to get people to their point, then let them off. Period. Take care of it, whatever it takes. If people want to pay for the privelage of being kidnapped, they could fly to the Middle East and volunteer for the privelage. |
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I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the
jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air marshalls on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last action you took. --==++AJC++==-- And that would be KIDNAPPING. To not allow me to leave unless I'm under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life- dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says. How can we get this changed? You are hopelessly naive. Try reading the actual text of the Patriot Act. Your government now has the right to declare anyone - including USA citizens - as an enemy, and therefore to send them to Cuba or any- where else it deems necessary. AJC is right. Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. Now you just might be incommunicado for years. Casey |
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I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the
jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air marshalls on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last action you took. --==++AJC++==-- And that would be KIDNAPPING. To not allow me to leave unless I'm under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life- dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says. How can we get this changed? You are hopelessly naive. Try reading the actual text of the Patriot Act. Your government now has the right to declare anyone - including USA citizens - as an enemy, and therefore to send them to Cuba or any- where else it deems necessary. AJC is right. Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. Now you just might be incommunicado for years. Casey |
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"Casey" wrote in message
link.net... Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the Patriot Act. LRH |
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"Casey" wrote in message
link.net... Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the Patriot Act. LRH |
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"Casey" wrote in message
link.net... Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the Patriot Act. LRH |
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Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the Patriot Act. A plane coming from another country must be kept sterile and not allow any passengers or cargo from reaching landside without first clearing customs/immigration. If the local airfield's facilities cannot garantee sterility, then the aircraft remains the only sterile/secure facility as long as the doors are kept closed so that nobody can escape. Providing a secure area isn't very hard. But it takes someone who has authority to set this up. |
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Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the Patriot Act. A plane coming from another country must be kept sterile and not allow any passengers or cargo from reaching landside without first clearing customs/immigration. If the local airfield's facilities cannot garantee sterility, then the aircraft remains the only sterile/secure facility as long as the doors are kept closed so that nobody can escape. Providing a secure area isn't very hard. But it takes someone who has authority to set this up. |
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