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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:37:39 -0700, Dave Smith wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. You can't impeach a president because you disagree with his policies. What we need in this country is a recall procedure where the people can vote "no confidence" to a sitting administration like they do in Great Britain. Then, the president doesn't need to be guilty of a crime, he just needs to not please the citizenry with his policies. It would be interesting to see what percentage of them know that impeachment itself does not get rid of the president but is just a step towards it. Given most of this thread's respondents grasp of US law (as witnessed by their inability to understand simple perjury laws) is woefully inadequate, I'd say very few. In the British parliamentary system the non confidence vote is done by the Parliament, not the people, and generally only happens when there is a minority government. Hmmmm. Thanks for that correction. I was under the assumption that it was done by plebiscite. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:03:44 -0700, James Davis wrote (in article . com): On Jul 7, 9:34 pm, George Graves wrote: What we need in this country is a recall procedure where the people can vote "no confidence" to a sitting administration like they do in Great Britain. Right now about 30% of Americans are very happy with President Bush, who was elected by a 51% majority. While I personally believe he's a moron, there is no rule that says it's undemocratic for a president to only please 30% of the population. There could be some time in the future where angering 70% of the population is the right thing to do. If you had to please the majority of people, then we wouldn't even elect presidents. We would just vote on issues and the majority vote would decide what to do. I understand that and its sorta my point. It would be unfair to the 30% of Americans who like Bush to impeach him unless he has done something illegal. As I said. I think he's a lousy president who has done ABSOLUTELY nothing in his second term except to defend his flawed policy in Iraq. Not one piece of legislation has he introduced! But until he actually breaks the law, he is, AFAIK, unimpeachable. Yea the Dems and Independents and real Republicans gotta be sure and not be a completely moronic and short sighted to do and say the idiotic things that the NeoCON/RightWing sect of the Republican party has........ "How dare you queston our leaders during war time, ya traitor!" They aren't even copentent enough to realize that goes both ways, even in the hypocrite world they inhabit. He won the vote, so he is the president. Besides, he doesn't have any power to do anything that 70% of Congress disagrees with. If his actions are so bad, they can be democratically overridden by others. Also true. You can't just do away with the rules of democracy because they are giving you the results you want. Again, that's pretty much my point. -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-09 13:17:53 -0400, George Graves said:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:06:55 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 12:45:18 -0400, George Graves said: Lying under oath to grand jury is NOT a trivial matter. Not when applied to Clinton, according to your non-standards. What about when applied to Lewis Libby? I repeat, lying under oath is not a trivial matter. Perjury is punishable by a prison term. I don't care if its Bill Clinton, Lewis Libby, or G.W. Bush. If someone lies under oath on a witness stand, he or she should be subject to the full weight of the law - irrespective of the perjurer's position or extenuating circumstances. One either tells the truth while under oath or one takes the 5th, where appropriate. There is no third road to take. ANY first year law student can tell you that. Were that not the case, our system of jurisprudence would be worthless. Apparently the Honorable President of the United States disagrees with you. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-09 14:06:37 -0400, Steve Carroll said:
I saw a little vid-clip today that had a couple of people debating the potential of "dumbing-down" due to the internet. One would tend to think having access to much more information than ever before we'd find people being more informed... but one guy's argument was that people are too willing to believe much of what they read simply because it was in print on some webpage (or blog). He may be on to something... Some of them may even believe George Graves. That's about as dumbed down as you can get! |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-09 14:10:43 -0400, George Graves said:
Given most of this thread's respondents grasp of US law (as witnessed by their inability to understand simple perjury laws) is woefully inadequate, I'd say very few. We're not all the kind of Pharisee you are. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
bearman wrote:
Does this not also apply to Lewis Libby? A jury found him guilty. By your reasoning, he should go to jail. Bush's commutation of Libby's sentence (prison part) does a disservice to us. If Bush thought the sentence was excessive, why not let Libby go to prison until Bush thinks he's served a proper, (not excessive) time? It might provide too much free time for him to write an expose. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:12:02 -0700, sechumlib wrote
(in article ): On 2007-07-09 13:17:53 -0400, George Graves said: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:06:55 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 12:45:18 -0400, George Graves said: Lying under oath to grand jury is NOT a trivial matter. Not when applied to Clinton, according to your non-standards. What about when applied to Lewis Libby? I repeat, lying under oath is not a trivial matter. Perjury is punishable by a prison term. I don't care if its Bill Clinton, Lewis Libby, or G.W. Bush. If someone lies under oath on a witness stand, he or she should be subject to the full weight of the law - irrespective of the perjurer's position or extenuating circumstances. One either tells the truth while under oath or one takes the 5th, where appropriate. There is no third road to take. ANY first year law student can tell you that. Were that not the case, our system of jurisprudence would be worthless. Apparently the Honorable President of the United States disagrees with you. You're talking about the Libby pardon, I take it? That has nothing to do with the court or the law practiced in that court. They did their job; which was to try, and if found guilty, sentence Libby. The fact that Bush used his executive power to set that sentence aside with a pardon, is his privilege as president and has nothing whatsoever to with the court and its decision and sentence. You are really having a problem with these legal concepts, aren't you? |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:13:20 -0700, sechumlib wrote
(in article ): On 2007-07-09 14:06:37 -0400, Steve Carroll said: I saw a little vid-clip today that had a couple of people debating the potential of "dumbing-down" due to the internet. One would tend to think having access to much more information than ever before we'd find people being more informed... but one guy's argument was that people are too willing to believe much of what they read simply because it was in print on some webpage (or blog). He may be on to something... Some of them may even believe George Graves. That's about as dumbed down as you can get! Not believing the letter of the law, which is all I have been quoting, is more than dumb, its stupid. Everything that I have said in this thread is verifiable. That you can't seem to understand it or grasp its significance does not reflect badly on me, it reflects badly on you. IOW, your personal attacks ring hollow. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:15:28 -0700, sechumlib wrote
(in article ): On 2007-07-09 14:10:43 -0400, George Graves said: Given most of this thread's respondents grasp of US law (as witnessed by their inability to understand simple perjury laws) is woefully inadequate, I'd say very few. We're not all the kind of Pharisee you are. No, you're not. You don't know the law, and you don't seem to want to learn it and you don't seem understand the importance of being compelled to tell the truth in a court of law. Whether it's stubbornness that makes you this way, or willful ignorance, or just stupidity is not for me to comment upon, and I won't. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:33:58 -0700, George Graves
wrote: You're talking about the Libby pardon, I take it? That has nothing to do with the court or the law practiced in that court. They did their job; which was to try, and if found guilty, sentence Libby. The fact that Bush used his executive power to set that sentence aside with a pardon, is his privilege as president and has nothing whatsoever to with the court and its decision and sentence. You are really having a problem with these legal concepts, aren't you? You seem to be stuck on legalism and failing to grasp broader concepts of justice. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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