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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:42:55 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:54:33 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:37 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:41:13 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 16:47:13 -0400, George Graves said: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:15:28 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 14:10:43 -0400, George Graves said: Given most of this thread's respondents grasp of US law (as witnessed by their inability to understand simple perjury laws) is woefully inadequate, I'd say very few. We're not all the kind of Pharisee you are. No, you're not. You don't know the law, and you don't seem to want to learn it and you don't seem understand the importance of being compelled to tell the truth in a court of law. Whether it's stubbornness that makes you this way, or willful ignorance, or just stupidity is not for me to comment upon, and I won't. I've been a lawyer for 42 years. I just have a different political view than you do. A lawyer, huh? Then maybe you can tell me what either your or my POLITICS have to do with the law? And by the way, sir, remind me not to choose your firm If I ever need legal council. I'd say George that is spot on relevant since we are discussing a POLITICAL sentence communion. Purely political to prevent Scooter from rolling over on the Bush Admin once he gets a taste of prison. Scooter ain't no Ollie North. Ollie was a hard core mercenary, Scoot AIN'T. He would crumble like a cookie as soon as he met Bubba in the shower. I still don't see what his political beliefs or my political beliefs have to do with the law. The President's commutation of Libby's sentence, or any hard pardon that might, eventually, come from this case, has nothing to do with the courts and the law. The courts will either convict of exonerate him and they will sentence him. What the President does AFTER that is a totally different and wholly disconnected act over which the court has no say. But like the Bush Admin has shown over and over, there is a underhanded side to it. Don't you agree if you are commuting a sentence, it should be a case that has NOTHING to do with the person doing the commuting?? That is pretty straight forward. You gotta agree with that. This was done solely to keep Scooter from rolling over on the guy (Bush/Cheney) that commuted the sentence!! That is just wrong, no matter how you cut it. I agree, but then I have never indicated that I didn't agree. And like with the Federal Attorney scandal. True, they serve at the pleasure of the President. But it's underhanded to fire attorneys that are/going to investigate you. (that is the accusation) Solely to prevent an investigation. That also is wrong, no matter how you cut it. Yep. And believe me, the presidential privilege was not instituted for the reason it is being used. But Bush isn't the first sitting president to abuse it. Look into Clinton's pardons (and Reagan's). Clinton didn't pardon/commute anyone who was going after him, did he? There is a difference. But do I remember at least one of Clinton's was a flat out crook, right? And should of never got pardoned. My comment was nonspecific. Both Clinton a Reagan pardoened people for political/personal reasons who shouldn't have been pardoned. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:33:07 -0700, Sam Spade wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:51:15 -0700, Jason McNorton wrote (in article ): In article , gmgraves2 @comcast.net says... On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:02:03 -0700, Jason McNorton wrote (in article ): In article , gmgraves2 @comcast.net says... On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:32:02 -0700, Jason McNorton wrote (in article ): In article , gmgraves2 @comcast.net says... On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:24:27 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:06:28 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 13:53:32 -0400, George Graves said: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. Is that a threat, or just the empty bluster it looks like? I'm no Republican, but had I been the Judge, Clinton would have done time. Just curious, what about Scooter? Scooter GOT time, but Bush pardoned him. LOLOLOL Oh man...... what happened to ....... It undermines our entire court system if ONE perjurer is allowed to get away with lying under oath, much less the sitting President of the United States. "Do as we say, not as we do", NeoCON/Jesuslander mentality, hummm..... possibly? Did I say that I AGREED with Bush's action? I did not. I was merely pointing out that it has nothing per se to do with the US system of jurisprudence, but its rather a presidential privilege just as a governor has the privilege of granting stays of execution and commuting death sentences to life in prison. You guys should start reading for content instead of looking for NeoCons under every bed... We're just too weak as a country to survive I think. Go algore! Go whatever, just leave me alone and don't mind the jihadists on their way in. Go Jason! P Since around 1996 until now, I add my comments I'll try not to be too political, but I do like Fred, I do like the PS3, I like Blu-Ray and HDTV (long live HD), and I will say that Macs now have their place even though I just bought a really nice Asus Vista laptop. However.. I can't take all the brainless Bush bashing or the '"gotta destroy humanity to save it"' global warming hoax. And yes I'll *lean* libertarian these days when it comes down to it, which used to upset me. And yes George, you are walking into the dark side with the Bush bashing. There is an agenda to silence anyone that might be pro-war. Gotta watch out for that, as a fellow non-liberal around here. Unfortunately, Jason, Bush is an extra-easy target. He IS the worst president in US history (thereby knocking Jimmy Carter out of the cellar) and I'm ultra sorry that it turned out to be someone running on the Republican ticket who gets the "honor''. I believe that real Conservatives need to distance themselves from this administration and try to convince people that not all Conservatives are Republicans and not all Republicans are Bush Republicans. If we can't do that, then we run the risk of becoming a one-party system where only Democrats can get elected to anything. The result will be the end of the United States as a Republic. I can't agree on any of that. Even if somehow the current president is the 'worst in history' I don't see how that'll destroy entirely either of the parties in the long term. Right now sure, Bush may be very, very unpopular. Why? About a million reasons. Mostly he's out of the spotlight now, and will be that way until late 08. What this means in the short term is that no matter WHO the Republicans run in '08, he/she/it will lose and no mater who the Democrats run in '08 will win. Right now it looks like the Clinton Bitch will be our next president, but it wouldn't matter if Obama ran, he'd win, or any othe Democrat up to and including the drunken little murderer, Teddy Kennedy. In the long term, it looks like because of Bush's association with the Republican party, Republican gubernatorial candidates, state legislature candidates, House or Representatives candidates and senatorial candidates running on the Republican ticket, will, for at least the foreseeable future, have an uphill battle to win anything. I don't see how our system can work under those circumstances. The Republicans did it to themselves by ever letting The Devil's Advocate Cheney anywhere near power. Hillary is going to overcome dislike for her in some Democrat quarters by having the junior senator from Illnois as her running mate. Sign me a former Republican, not Independent, who voted for Kerry because I could not stomach the Cheney/Bush (yes, that is the correct order) "team." I didn't vote for Bush & Co. in either election. I also didn't, in fact COULDN'T vote for a Democrat. While the Republicans don't represent me, the Democrats are downright anathema to everything that I believe to be right and proper for the Republic and for government in general. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:09:11 -0700, sechumlib wrote
(in article ): On 2007-07-10 20:51:15 -0400, Jason McNorton said: Right now sure, Bush may be very, very unpopular. Why? About a million reasons. Mostly he's out of the spotlight now, and will be that way until late 08. Name just one thing the present administration has done right or competently. Try done at all! Since re-election, Bush has done NOTHING except defend his actions in Iraq. He hasn't initiated ONE piece of legislation, either foreign or domestic. Just because the guy is "Commander-in-Chief" of the armed forces doesn't abrogate his responsibilities as President of the United States, but in that role, he's done nothing for more than two years and not a hell of a lot before that! |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:00:55 -0700, George Graves
wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:09:11 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-10 20:51:15 -0400, Jason McNorton said: Right now sure, Bush may be very, very unpopular. Why? About a million reasons. Mostly he's out of the spotlight now, and will be that way until late 08. Name just one thing the present administration has done right or competently. Try done at all! Since re-election, Bush has done NOTHING except defend his actions in Iraq. He hasn't initiated ONE piece of legislation, either foreign or domestic. Just because the guy is "Commander-in-Chief" of the armed forces doesn't abrogate his responsibilities as President of the United States, but in that role, he's done nothing for more than two years and not a hell of a lot before that! The president doesn't "initiate" legislation, and there's nowhere in the US Constitution that even implies that he should. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-11 14:00:55 -0400, George Graves said:
Try done at all! Since re-election, Bush has done NOTHING except defend his actions in Iraq. Oh, that's not quite right. Just after his reelection, he announced that he had a mandate and was going to take full advantage of it. And he has! He's done everything his mandate permitted. ;-) Most of it, he's done very badly indeed. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
Clinton didn't pardon/commute anyone who was going after him, did he? There is a difference. But do I remember at least one of Clinton's was a flat out crook, right? And should of never got pardoned. My comment was nonspecific. Both Clinton a Reagan pardoened people for political/personal reasons who shouldn't have been pardoned. After re-reading my post it look like I was making a statement, when I was actually asking a question. I don't know if he pardoned anyone that could roll over on him, but I haven't heard to opposition yelling that. I'm sure they would be if so. shrugs shoulders -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-11 14:16:21 -0400, Hatunen said:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:00:55 -0700, George Graves wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:09:11 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-10 20:51:15 -0400, Jason McNorton said: Right now sure, Bush may be very, very unpopular. Why? About a million reasons. Mostly he's out of the spotlight now, and will be that way until late 08. Name just one thing the present administration has done right or competently. Try done at all! Since re-election, Bush has done NOTHING except defend his actions in Iraq. He hasn't initiated ONE piece of legislation, either foreign or domestic. Just because the guy is "Commander-in-Chief" of the armed forces doesn't abrogate his responsibilities as President of the United States, but in that role, he's done nothing for more than two years and not a hell of a lot before that! The president doesn't "initiate" legislation, and there's nowhere in the US Constitution that even implies that he should. So how about answering my original statement, Hatunen: name just one thing the present administration has done right or competently. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:00:35 -0400, sechumlib
wrote: On 2007-07-11 14:16:21 -0400, Hatunen said: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:00:55 -0700, George Graves wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:09:11 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-10 20:51:15 -0400, Jason McNorton said: Right now sure, Bush may be very, very unpopular. Why? About a million reasons. Mostly he's out of the spotlight now, and will be that way until late 08. Name just one thing the present administration has done right or competently. Try done at all! Since re-election, Bush has done NOTHING except defend his actions in Iraq. He hasn't initiated ONE piece of legislation, either foreign or domestic. Just because the guy is "Commander-in-Chief" of the armed forces doesn't abrogate his responsibilities as President of the United States, but in that role, he's done nothing for more than two years and not a hell of a lot before that! The president doesn't "initiate" legislation, and there's nowhere in the US Constitution that even implies that he should. So how about answering my original statement, Hatunen: name just one thing the present administration has done right or competently. It's your question; you answer it. Oh. I think you already have, by merely asking it. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-11 18:46:56 -0400, Hatunen said:
It's your question; you answer it. Hmmm. When you ask a question, do you want it answered by yourself? I'm trying to figure out what cabal of idiots elected that dodo to two terms as president, and what they got out of it. I still don't know. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:25:42 -0400, sechumlib
wrote: On 2007-07-11 18:46:56 -0400, Hatunen said: It's your question; you answer it. Hmmm. When you ask a question, do you want it answered by yourself? I'm trying to figure out what cabal of idiots elected that dodo to two terms as president, and what they got out of it. I still don't know. Wasn't me. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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