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Smoking on cruise ships
This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a gripe
about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but the non smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow more smoking .. What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a Disney cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere inside the ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney cruise ,. and you would be right . What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably say they were selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right . By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking , and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and then thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by smoking , or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well . It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are going to hate. I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else that's offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's really pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking so much just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If you DO choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies , or in the casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't complain about it , as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all , the very people you are complaining about were smart enough to choose a ship that allows them to smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to ? By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that are loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have no problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area , and a senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if it was outside. |
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Smoking on cruise ships
Ray,
I'm kind of with you. Both my wife Deborah and I don't smoke, and the second-hand smoke from smokers does bother us. However, we certainly don't want to take that right away from the smokers as long as they are in the designated or "smoking" areas.We certainly don't have a problem moving to an areas outside of even second-hand smoke influence. The problem does arise thought, that while one area may be smoking and another non-smoking, smoke doesn't recognize an imaginary line in a public room. Naturally, we can personally seek a ship that does not allow smoking, but that does at times become problematic, putting the burden and responsibility back on us, thus missing out on ships and/or destination that may be of interest to us. Yet, as said, most of the time, we have no problem simply seeking non-smoking areas on the ship. The problems does arise with smokers who just don't care, feeling their right to smoke supersedes the health and safety of others. As an example, we live close to (16 miles) the Disneyland Resort in California, and naturally go there all are the time with our annual passes. Both theme parks (Disneyland & Disney's California Adventure) has designated smoking area with smoking banned everywhere else within these parks. Yet, in spite of this, there are many smokers who will light up when and where they fell like it - totally oblivious or non-caring about anyone else. Disney has a polite approach when handling a situation such as this, reminding guests that there are actual designated smoking areas. On a cruise ship, personally I would not be so tolerant. If a smoker is violating any no-smoking in select area rules, upon the second warning, they would be asked to leave the ship at the next port. To me, if they can't follow the rules, why should the rest of us suffer? Yet, from an actual booking of clients aspects, this can be resolved by asking questions, along with the proper screening and right recommendations to clients to begin with. Happy sailing, John Sisker, SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY (sm) (714) 536-3850 or toll free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850) www.shiptoshorecruise.com "Ray Kloc" wrote in message . net... This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a gripe about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but the non smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow more smoking . What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a Disney cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere inside the ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney cruise ,. and you would be right . What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably say they were selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right . By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking , and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and then thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by smoking , or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well . It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are going to hate. I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else that's offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's really pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking so much just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If you DO choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies , or in the casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't complain about it , as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all , the very people you are complaining about were smart enough to choose a ship that allows them to smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to ? By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that are loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have no problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area , and a senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if it was outside. |
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On Mar 6, 8:35*am, "Ray Kloc" wrote:
snipped the funny and oh-so-logical stuff What a funny and logical way to counter the avid anti-smokers. My husband and I quite smoking a couple years ago and the only time we have problems with smoke is when it's concentrated and there's no ventilation. We had that same problem before we quit though, so I'm proud to say that I'm not one of those ex-smokers who has now gone on a vendetta to educate the world When smokers come to my home I put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside (children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they smoke inside. All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both on and off ships. |
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John Sisker wrote:
you would be right . What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wasn't aware of this side effect. - Nonny Nonnymus A penny saved is obviously a government oversight. |
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Well...I'm with you regarding people who smoke outside of the smoking area's
.. Thats rude and inconsiderate . You seem to have a reasonable attitude regarding taking a cruise on a smoking ship , although I'm not sure what you mean by the burden and responsibility being put back on you . I think it IS yours , mine , and everyone else's responsibility to consider all the facts and make choices accordingly , and be prepared to live with those choices . Not just on picking a cruise , but in life in general . There are always trade offs , and this isn't really any different . I rarely find myself in a perfect situation , but usually make the best choice for myself by weighing the pro's and con's. So..if someone prefers the itinerary of a cruise on a smoking ship , is it worth putting up with people smoking ? For those that say it's not worth it , find another cruise on a ship better suited for you. I don't think anyone , smokers or non smokers , have the right to expect to have their cake , and eat it , too . I think for most people , it's not much of a problem . I cruise with a large group sometimes , with both smokers and non smokers , and I haven't seen this be an issue with anyone . I'm sure most smokers would prefer to be able to smoke ANYWHERE , and most non smokers would prefer that they smoked NOWHERE , but everyone can accept the compromises most cruise lines have adopted and we all are reasonably happy . "John Sisker" wrote in message ... Ray, I'm kind of with you. Both my wife Deborah and I don't smoke, and the second-hand smoke from smokers does bother us. However, we certainly don't want to take that right away from the smokers as long as they are in the designated or "smoking" areas.We certainly don't have a problem moving to an areas outside of even second-hand smoke influence. The problem does arise thought, that while one area may be smoking and another non-smoking, smoke doesn't recognize an imaginary line in a public room. Naturally, we can personally seek a ship that does not allow smoking, but that does at times become problematic, putting the burden and responsibility back on us, thus missing out on ships and/or destination that may be of interest to us. Yet, as said, most of the time, we have no problem simply seeking non-smoking areas on the ship. The problems does arise with smokers who just don't care, feeling their right to smoke supersedes the health and safety of others. As an example, we live close to (16 miles) the Disneyland Resort in California, and naturally go there all are the time with our annual passes. Both theme parks (Disneyland & Disney's California Adventure) has designated smoking area with smoking banned everywhere else within these parks. Yet, in spite of this, there are many smokers who will light up when and where they fell like it - totally oblivious or non-caring about anyone else. Disney has a polite approach when handling a situation such as this, reminding guests that there are actual designated smoking areas. On a cruise ship, personally I would not be so tolerant. If a smoker is violating any no-smoking in select area rules, upon the second warning, they would be asked to leave the ship at the next port. To me, if they can't follow the rules, why should the rest of us suffer? Yet, from an actual booking of clients aspects, this can be resolved by asking questions, along with the proper screening and right recommendations to clients to begin with. Happy sailing, John Sisker, SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY (sm) (714) 536-3850 or toll free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850) www.shiptoshorecruise.com "Ray Kloc" wrote in message . net... This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a gripe about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but the non smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow more smoking . What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a Disney cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere inside the ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney cruise ,. and you would be right . What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably say they were selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right . By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking , and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and then thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by smoking , or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well . It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are going to hate. I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else that's offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's really pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking so much just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If you DO choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies , or in the casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't complain about it , as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all , the very people you are complaining about were smart enough to choose a ship that allows them to smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to ? By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that are loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have no problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area , and a senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if it was outside. |
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Me either !! Pretty funny slip , what was I thinking ..... although I hope
you can tell what I meant ! "Nonnymus" wrote in message ... John Sisker wrote: you would be right . What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wasn't aware of this side effect. - Nonny Nonnymus A penny saved is obviously a government oversight. |
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"Nonnymus" wrote in message ... John Sisker wrote: you would be right . What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wasn't aware of this side effect. Nonny, The ship stores need to be alerted to start stocking Depends, now! ;-P --Jean |
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Well... you are more tolorant than I am ...we don't have smoking inside our
home , but have a deck or porch that people are more than welcome to smoke on. However , most people that smoke , at least where I live , don't usually even smoke inside their own homes very often. I think it would be considered rude to light up in a house or car with other people around , unless of course someone like you made the smoker feel it would not be offensive. "alnmel" wrote in message ... On Mar 6, 8:35 am, "Ray Kloc" wrote: snipped the funny and oh-so-logical stuff What a funny and logical way to counter the avid anti-smokers. My husband and I quite smoking a couple years ago and the only time we have problems with smoke is when it's concentrated and there's no ventilation. We had that same problem before we quit though, so I'm proud to say that I'm not one of those ex-smokers who has now gone on a vendetta to educate the world When smokers come to my home I put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside (children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they smoke inside. All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both on and off ships. |
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Nonnymus wrote:
John Sisker wrote: you would be right . What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wasn't aware of this side effect. FWIW, when the newsreader reposted the quote, the underlining of John's word, "Incontinence" was misplaced. My comment was to underscore John's humorous misuse of the English language. -- Nonny Nonnymus A penny saved is obviously a government oversight. |
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Ray wrote:
When smokers come to my home I put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside (children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they smoke inside. All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both on and off ships. Exactly, Ray. We have smokers coming to visit next week. They understand that we don't smoke inside the house or auto here, and they're quite considerate. I have an ashtray I borrowed from a local eatery grin and keep it outside on the picnic table. The smoke smell inside the house is limited to what might cling to clothing, and we can live with that. We enjoy our guests and wouldn't think of prohibiting something that they need for their own psychological or physiological comfort, so long as it doesn't impinge on our own desire for a smoke free house and auto. When we moved to our home in another state during the late 1980's, we decided that the house would be smoke free. Both Mrs. Nonny and I had stopped smoking, and while our kids would sneak a cigarette, they kept the practice to the outside of the house. Smoking was a bit more common then, so I placed a 3" no smoking symbol beside the exterior doors as a reminder to people we preferred no smoking inside the house. . . and also placed several ashtrays outside on the deck and by the back door. Outside of Mrs. Nonny's sister, who was very ill, smoking with our consent in her room of our house, we never had anyone, ever, smoke inside. That has continued to this day in our home here in Las Vegas. Even our kids, who both smoked and have now also quit, went outdoors to smoke because of our quiet request that the house not smell like smoke. I guess that there's a difference between the kind of people you invite to your house and the broader spectrum you encounter on a cruise or in any other group. When we hosted a GGC party in 2000 for George Leppla, we had about 50 people in the house, on the deck and around the yard. A number WERE smokers, but nothing was ever said about smoking. The smokers went outside to the ashtrays provided on the rear deck to smoke, and that worked for everybody. It's just a case of good people being together with other good people and having a good time. Had somebody lit one up inside our house, I'd have not said anything, but then it was a moot point, wasn't it? -- Nonny Nonnymus A penny saved is obviously a government oversight. |
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