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On 10/12/05 12:34, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

The lobsters I ate in California in the 1960s were the best I ever had
anywhere.


The second photo on the site http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum4.html
shows a grilled lobster (homard) being served up at a restaurant in
Cancale, which is not far from Saint Malo. The photos can be expanded
by clicking. A photo of the port is at
http://docarmor.free.fr/valarmor/valest/cancale1.htm
and other photos show the oyster beds, and give an idea of the extent
of the tidal changes.

This is the best we have ever had but alas is for no more since the people
who ran the Phare have retired. The lobster was served from a dish of white
wine butter sauces which real made it.

California lobster (if Pacific) are langouste, or rock lobster. The clawed
lobster are from Maine in the US. Caribbean lobster are rock lobster.

We have eaten a lot of lobster. The main weakness in the preparation and
serving of lobster in the US is that it does not do well to over cooking.
Also the sauce is almost just melted butter, no oomph. Another weakness
of American seafood presentation is the lack of a "plateau de fruits de mer"
as seen in the first photo. However, the US does have good regional oysters.

We were just out to Cancale two weeks ago and found a substitute for the
Phare but have not yet tried the lobster. Le Narval had a super
plateau, one of the best we have ever encountered in our 30+ years
in France

Earl Evleth wrote:

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Another weakness
of American seafood presentation is the lack of a "plateau de fruits de mer"
as seen in the first photo.

Maybe you should try a seafood restaurant next time. Shellfish and
seafood platters are hardly unheard of.

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On 10/12/05 15:17, in article
1h7cy7g.njbf75ebtn7uN%this_address_is_for_spam@yah oo.com, "David Horne,
_the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy" wrote:

Maybe you should try a seafood restaurant next time. Shellfish and
seafood platters are hardly unheard of.


Any suggestions? By seafood platter I don't means a selection of deep fried
stuff, but cold, some raw, seafood, oysters, crab, etc.

I don't at all recall seeing one in the West coast (we lived there
for a large portion of our lives). For instance,
"Fisherman's Wharf" in San Francisco has cold crab but nothing else.
If you google

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ancisco&b tnG
=Search

you find a number of mentions in SF places, one has a photo

http://sanfrancisco.about.com/cs/res...slz/a/zuni.htm

But my experience does not indicate that they are in abundance.

On 10/12/05 15:35, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

I included what I had eaten in France. I spent many summer holidays in
Normandy and Brittany.
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OK, how was the California lobster you ate prepared?

Earl Evleth wrote:

On 10/12/05 15:17, in article
1h7cy7g.njbf75ebtn7uN%this_address_is_for_spam@yah oo.com, "David Horne,
_the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy" wrote:

Maybe you should try a seafood restaurant next time. Shellfish and
seafood platters are hardly unheard of.


Any suggestions? By seafood platter I don't means a selection of deep fried
stuff,

I knew exactly what you meant.

but cold, some raw, seafood, oysters, crab, etc.

What city do you want the recommendation for? There are several I can
think of in Boston which are good. Frankly, any decent seafood
restaurant with a raw bar will have what you want. I liked the Atlantic
Fish Co. on Boylston Street.

I don't at all recall seeing one in the West coast (we lived there
for a large portion of our lives). For instance,
"Fisherman's Wharf" in San Francisco has cold crab but nothing else.
If you google

Maybe if you relied on experience instead of google?

[]
But my experience does not indicate that they are in abundance.

I've had no trouble finding them. They are not cheap by local standards,
but on the whole probably a bit cheaper than what you'd pay in France.

--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org

On 10/12/05 15:44, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

OK, how was the California lobster you ate prepared?

In a kitchen?

Grilled, boiled and with what sauce?

On 10/12/05 15:54, in article
1h7czml.6uovue1pchc6xN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com, "David Horne,
_the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy" wrote:


but cold, some raw, seafood, oysters, crab, etc.

What city do you want the recommendation for? There are several I can
think of in Boston which are good. Frankly, any decent seafood
restaurant with a raw bar will have what you want. I liked the Atlantic
Fish Co. on Boylston Street.

I looked up a web site, you are right

Iced Shellfish Platter
Oysters, clams, colossal shrimp, Alaskan king crab legs, and lobster.
Serves two or more.

**

Looks good. I will keep the address in mind since we do come through
Boston now and then, taking the day flight back to London.

Sometimes in France they have a lobster.

A French seafood plate might all have

huitres, oursins, crevettes bouquets, crevettes grises, langoustines,
tourteaux, bigorneaux, bulots, 1 kg de palourdes, coques,

I am guessing but the American ones will not have bigorneaux, bulots
or sea snail type of offerings.


I don't at all recall seeing one in the West coast (we lived there
for a large portion of our lives). For instance,
"Fisherman's Wharf" in San Francisco has cold crab but nothing else.
If you google

Maybe if you relied on experience instead of google?

We lived in the SF area from 1962-1974, before Google, so it was experience.
We go back occasionally and were there two years ago. Our daughter lives
in Florida so that is the state of preferred destination now.

But my experience does not indicate that they are in abundance.

I've had no trouble finding them. They are not cheap by local standards,
but on the whole probably a bit cheaper than what you'd pay in France.

Very probably. A good one for two people will run 50 euros, but I forget
prices. Garniers in Paris has a good one and dinner for two, including
wine will come to probably 150 euros. I tend to separate Parisian
restaurants into two classes, one under 100 euros the other 100-200
for two people. I was unable to go out last night but might wife's share
of the meal was 80 euros at a good place.

On 10/12/05 16:10, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

Yes. Can you remember how a meal was prepared in 1967?


By restaurant, not by year. I always had the ability to
remember completely what meals I had eaten in France up
until 10 years ago. We often when out of town for the
weekend on a feed. The last 10 years our time was taken
up with visiting somebody in prison, but that is over now
and we are free to return to our old bad habits.

It was around 1967 my wife got a contract to
do restaurant articles for a book to be sold to doctors and dentists
(American that is, they are rich) on traveling in France. We spent her
entire commission on eating in the restaurants in the area she was assigned
to (Morvan, Burgundy).

Memorable meals I can remember but the most memorable dish was
a soupe de moules with a Saffron sauce with a pastry crust over the
soupe. (my mouth is watering). I will admit after 30
years (we also lived here in 65-66 and 71-72 before coming in 74)
in France and eating so well that eating experiences do fuse.
Winter or cold weather traveling is great, if places are open.
Few people, winter food in France is better than in the summer.

Earl Evleth wrote:

On 10/12/05 15:54, in article
1h7czml.6uovue1pchc6xN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com, "David Horne,
_the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy" wrote:
[]
Maybe if you relied on experience instead of google?

We lived in the SF area from 1962-1974, before Google, so it was experience.

But it's an out of date one, and the restaurant scene has changed a lot.
Was Philadelphia noted for having excellent restaurants in the 60s? I
doubt it, or at least not as much as it is now. SF is a food paradise-
I'd be amazed if it wasn't possible to get nice seafood platters easily
there.

We go back occasionally and were there two years ago. Our daughter lives
in Florida so that is the state of preferred destination now.

I only know Miami Beach and Delray Beach, and they do have some good
fish restaurants. In Miami Beach, I tend to prefer going for the Cuban
food though.

But my experience does not indicate that they are in abundance.

I've had no trouble finding them. They are not cheap by local standards,
but on the whole probably a bit cheaper than what you'd pay in France.

Very probably. A good one for two people will run 50 euros, but I forget
prices.

I imagine it could run up to that in the US, but you could also get a
decent one in some places for around USD 30.

--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org