****ty exchange rate, any place in europe worth visiting?

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
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My wife and I wanted to visit possibly Spain or Italy from here in Arizona
US,
but have been hearing horror stories about the current exchange rate.
A while back we visited California, and I really got tired of being ripped
of on everything. I can't imagine how Europe would be right now.

I was wondering if anybody might have some advice on visiting europe on
the
cheap? Stuff like renting a room with kitchen access and getting local
groceries instead of paying for restaurant meals, etc.

You have suggested the things to do. Rent an apartment ( lots of them
online), shop in supermarkets, and walk a lot.\
When I was a college student in the fifties, we hitch-hiked everywhere in
western Europe and North Africa, slept in youth hostels, bought bread and
cheese in shops, and lived wonderfully cheaply. And had a marvelous time
Note: prices higher than you are used to down on the farm are not
necessarily rip-offs. We live in Venice, where prices are among the highest
in Europe. But I am not being ripped off -- circumstances dictate the
prices.
rjf

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"Tim C." wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:52:31 +0530, grusl wrote:

Especially as neither country knows anything about beer. Drink wine.

Some Alsatian beers are very good, and some south Tyrolean ones too.

past German influence??? 8-)

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but you can always order a half!

if you dont mind looking a wimp.
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"Tim C." wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:04:44 +0100, Mike..... wrote:

Following up to Tim C.

After the exchange rate, what problems are you expecting?

Euro 5 for a half litre beer in France and Italy. That's horrific in my
book.

drink wine?

It's even more expensive. :-(

But it tastes SO much better 8-)

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Am Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:08:09 +0200 schrieb Tim C.:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:59:21 +0200, Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:

Not in Italy, when you stay away from the tourist spots.

of course. But as the places I want to go are generally in a tourist area,
it can be a problem.

Well, often it's only a 10 minute walk into a different part of town that
makes the difference. Look were the locals go to have their lunch/dinner.
Where the people from the offices go to spend their lunch-break. That way
you can often discover nice little places to eat.

Regards,

Frank

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:52 -0400, "Bob Fusillo"
wrote:


"Tim C." wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:06:10 +0100, Mike..... wrote:

After the exchange rate, what problems are you expecting?

Euro 5 for a half litre beer in France and Italy. That's horrific in my
book.

Pretty standard in London, Atlanta, New York, and elsewhere.


but not in small village pubs in UK.

Nor in pubs in London for that matter. £4 would be considered quite
expensive- you will certainly pay that much for a "premium" beer, and
prices in restaurants will be higher on the whole, but £4 is not an
average price for a pint in London- I think it's more like £2.50-3.
Around here it's closer to £2.

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Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:04:32 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:52 -0400, "Bob Fusillo"
wrote:


"Tim C." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:06:10 +0100, Mike..... wrote:

After the exchange rate, what problems are you expecting?

Euro 5 for a half litre beer in France and Italy. That's horrific in my
book.

Pretty standard in London, Atlanta, New York, and elsewhere.


but not in small village pubs in UK.

Nor in pubs in London for that matter. £4 would be considered quite
expensive- you will certainly pay that much for a "premium" beer,

WTF wants to drink Heineken? )

Oh, plenty, but by premium I was thinking more of the other imported
beers that Heineken own.

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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:45:46 -0400, "Bob Fusillo"
wrote:


"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
My wife and I wanted to visit possibly Spain or Italy from here in Arizona
US,
but have been hearing horror stories about the current exchange rate.
A while back we visited California, and I really got tired of being ripped
of on everything. I can't imagine how Europe would be right now.

I was wondering if anybody might have some advice on visiting europe on
the
cheap? Stuff like renting a room with kitchen access and getting local
groceries instead of paying for restaurant meals, etc.

You have suggested the things to do. Rent an apartment ( lots of them
online), shop in supermarkets, and walk a lot.\
When I was a college student in the fifties, we hitch-hiked everywhere in
western Europe and North Africa, slept in youth hostels, bought bread and
cheese in shops, and lived wonderfully cheaply. And had a marvelous time
Note: prices higher than you are used to down on the farm are not
necessarily rip-offs. We live in Venice, where prices are among the highest
in Europe. But I am not being ripped off -- circumstances dictate the
prices.

Before David asks, have you thought of moving to Treviso.

The food's better there too.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:17:22 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:45:46 -0400, "Bob Fusillo"
wrote:
[]
You have suggested the things to do. Rent an apartment ( lots of them
online), shop in supermarkets, and walk a lot.\ When I was a college
student in the fifties, we hitch-hiked everywhere in western Europe
and North Africa, slept in youth hostels, bought bread and cheese in
shops, and lived wonderfully cheaply. And had a marvelous time Note:
prices higher than you are used to down on the farm are not
necessarily rip-offs. We live in Venice, where prices are among the
highest in Europe. But I am not being ripped off -- circumstances
dictate the prices.

Before David asks, have you thought of moving to Treviso.

The food's better there too.

Exactly. Have you watched Francesco da Mosta on BBC.

Not since he complained about the traffic in Rome while driving around
in his alfa romeo spider, no.

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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:55:34 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:49 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Tim C. wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:06:10 +0100, Mike..... wrote:

After the exchange rate, what problems are you expecting?

Euro 5 for a half litre beer in France and Italy.

In Paris, 8 euro if you want it in a cafe in touristy areas. Actually,
even in non-touristy cafes, it can be almost that expensive (3.50 for
25
cl at one such that I remember.) That said, seems as if Belgian beers
are increasingly popular in France, so you can at least drink the beer
now.

Something to do with InBev and Heineken owning more and more of them?

Quite likely, as Hoegaarden, Leffe, Affligem etc. were quite common.

They own or have shares in most common drinks. Including Hoegaarden,
Leffe,
Affligem etc.


And, of course, they are in the process of acquiring the (self-styled) King
of Beers.
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JohnT