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Old July 8th, 2007, 02:24 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Dr zara
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Default are "insurgents" patriots?

I like to look at the American Revolution.


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Old July 8th, 2007, 02:46 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx
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Default 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.



If the House pushed impeachment then you will see civil war in the
US. Too many Bush supporters are fed up with the cry babies of the
left. All the left understands is violence, look at the way that they
are scared to death of the Muslims....


No way, Jose. Americans only bitch and moan. If they were inclined to
Civil War it would be happening now over illegal immigration and how the
left (and Bush) tell us we are racists because we can no longer stand
this invasion by Mexico.
  #23  
Old July 8th, 2007, 02:49 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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Default 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.

On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said:

OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be
legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law.


Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on
"legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far
right.

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Old July 8th, 2007, 03:10 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx
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Default 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.

sechumlib wrote:
On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said:

OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be
legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law.



Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on
"legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far
right.

You're right, of course. What is wrong is the system is inappropriate
for today's United States. The people want the ability to recall the
president.

Had the people had that power, both Clinton and Bush would have been
removed from office.
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Old July 8th, 2007, 06:43 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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Default 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:17:10 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote
(in article ):

George Graves wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:11:00 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote
(in article ):

George Graves wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article
om):

Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org

OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be
legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law.
That is not what the US Constitution says. It says:

the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United
States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and
conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and
misdemeanors.�
"high crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever a majority of the House of
Representatives says it means (See: impeachment of Bill Clinton).


I'm not going to get sucked-in to this argument again, but Clinton was
impeached because he committed perjury before a grand jury - a felony in
every court in the country.


The only offenses specifically called out in the Constitution are, as
stated above:

Treason -- Clearly defined in the Constitution
Bribery -- Selling the power of the president

Note: Getting caught in a perjury trap is not specified.

All other High Crimes and Misdemeanors are not defined.


Irrelevant. The law of the land defines those. If a president commits a
felony, he CAN be impeached for it, and whether or not he is actually
impeached is, of course, up to Congress. You are right in that its not an
automatic thing.

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Old July 8th, 2007, 06:45 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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Default 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.

In article ,
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:

Sparrow wrote:
Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org


One reason not to do this: Dick Cheney.


He's almost certainly get to go along for the ride. He's in this stuff
deeper than Bush is.

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
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Old July 8th, 2007, 06:45 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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Default 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:35:46 -0700, ZnU wrote
(in article ):

In article ,
George Graves wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote
(in article om):

Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org


OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be
legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law.


Wikipedia has a nice list of potential charges:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...Bush#Rationale
s_for_impeachment

The ones that potentially involve explicit violations of US law:

1) Warrantless surveillance (violates FISA).
2) Violations of the UN Charter (remember, treaties are US law).
3) Violations of the Geneva Convention (ditto).
4) Commuting Libby's sentence (if done to prevent Libby from turning
state's evidence, it represents obstruction of justice).
5) Politicization of the United States attorney offices, in a scheme
possibly involving voter suppression and a subsequent coverup.
6) Signing statements (the executive is not allowed to rewrite laws).

As of this week, you'll almost certainly be able to add to that
willfully ignoring subpoenas lawfully issued by the US Congress.

If the political will was there to impeach, any of the above could serve
as a constitutionally valid justification. Remember, impeachment doesn't
function according to a "reasonable doubt" standard; it functions
according to whatever standard Congress wants.

[snip]



Then why aren't the Democrats instituting impeachment proceedings? Could it
be that they feel that having Chaney as Pres would be out of the frying pan
and into the fire?

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Old July 8th, 2007, 06:51 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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Default 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:32:07 -0700, Tim Adams wrote
(in article ):

In article ,
George Graves wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote
(in article om):

Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org


OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be
legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. You can't impeach a
president because you disagree with his policies. What we need in this
country is a recall procedure where the people can vote "no confidence" to
a
sitting administration like they do in Great Britain. Then, the president
doesn't need to be guilty of a crime, he just needs to not please the
citizenry with his policies.


The problem with that is every other month there would be an election since
no
president seem to last any longer then that before some vocal group disagree
with their policies.



It seems to work in Great Britain. In England (I don't pretend to understand
the particulars) it seems that there must be a set of particulars that must
occur before a recall is issued. It would have to be similar here. IOW, some
safeguards would need to be in place to avoid the type of capricious recalls
that you suggest.

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Old July 8th, 2007, 06:53 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
George Graves
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote
(in article ):

On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said:

OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be
legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law.


Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on
"legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far
right.


Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no
right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy.

  #30  
Old July 8th, 2007, 07:00 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada,alt.true-crime,alt.tv.tech.hdtv,alt.video.divx,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
George Graves
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:31:38 -0700, sharx35 wrote
(in article [email protected]):


"George Graves" wrote in message
. net...
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:09:36 -0700, James wrote
(in article .com):

On Jul 7, 7:03 pm, Sparrow wrote:
39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
Read all about it, hehttp://Muvy.org

The linked article says, "Americans under 30 are far more supportive
of impeachment than their elders. Among those youngest adults, 56%
believe the President should be impeached and removed from office."
America has a bright future. Our youth is smarter and wiser than the
older generation.


They just don't know (or seem to care about) the law. I wouldn't gloat
about
that were I you.


Agreed. On average, the YOUNGER, the stupider and more ignorant and NAIVE a
person is. Minimum age to vote should be 35.


That's especially true today where most of our youth are as ignorant as dirt.
They were never taught history, they don't know how their own government
works, most of them couldn't tell you where either Rhode Island or Russia are
located. Our school systems have been so systematically dumbing-down the
populace that I have to wonder what they actually do with our kids for the 12
or so years that they have them. The certainly don't seem to teach them
anything.

 




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