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Fast Ferry Rochester Toronto BBS & Chat
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:52:16 GMT, "goeth" wrote:
dude, your website makes baby jesus cry. ouch! i mean damn! Wow, you got that right. That is UUUUUUUUGLLLLLY! Now, the concept is a fine one, but you need to learn and apply some very basic design before advertising this any further. It just *screams* "I'M AN AMATUER! I Know How to CREATE UGLY." Step one - go to http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ and read the entire site. When you're finished, read it again. Be sure to visit the examples of other sites - it's easier to spot the ugly in other people's work than it is in your own. Step two - based on what you learn there, start from scratch and make a new site that doesn't attempt to burn a visitors eyes out. Remove anything that blinks or flashes. Get rid of the number one sign of being a rank amateur - the waving flag. And the number two sign, changing the colors of the browser scroll bars. (That's also rude). And the number three sign - a field of stars for the background. And the number four sign, yellow text on a red background. And the number five sign, six pages of information jammed into one page. And the number six sign, a dozen banners at the end of the page. Step three - learn the joys of br. Step four - after you've improved the page as much as you can, sign into alt.www.webmasters. Hang out and read anything there regarding design for a couple of weeks. Apply everything you learn. Step five - Post a message there asking for a critique of your site. Do this last. If you do it now, some usenet servers might not have enough hard drive space to store the lists of your design flaws. But do it after you've made it the best you can, and you'll gain some valuable insight. You've got a good idea, but there is so much ugly on that page that no one is going to spend any time there. --- Don't settle for watching Improv on TV. See it live, and join in the fun! http://www.insertsomethingfunny.com/index.php |
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Fast Ferry Rochester Toronto BBS & Chat
Dave Hitt pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:
Step four - after you've improved the page as much as you can, sign into alt.www.webmasters. Hang out and read anything there regarding design for a couple of weeks. Apply everything you learn. alt.html and alt.html.critique would be even better. These are more about authoring and design than the webmaster group. Then there are the comp.info.www groups... -- -bts -This space intentionally left blank. |
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Fast Ferry Rochester Toronto BBS & Chat
Well it might be a roaring success.
800 odd people per 2+ trip sounds like it might meet the demand. How many people from the Toronto area go to Rochester each day, by plane, car, rail, bus? All I know is I have no reason or desire to visit Rochester. At 200,000+ people, it's not like a major center. Now if it docked in Buffalo, it might appear to make economic sense. I have seen no studies that say such a service is needed. I have seen no statisitics that establish that there is a need or a market. But I am sure the American company that will be running it, that got the City of Toronto to donate lands for a port, must have some reason to think it will be a success. Of course it could be just another o fthe majority of new businesses that go bankrupt, based on an unrealistic business case. Of course in field of dreams, they say "if you build it they will come". But where is the evidence that they will come? It makes more sense to build a highspeed ferry to Hamilton. It's tice the size of Rochester and no customs required. So I suppose if the America company wants to gamble their money, they have that right. But why did the City of Toronto gamble our land? What is their cut? Regardless of the name, it's an American company, so no profits for Canada. And obviously Canada is where the customer base will come from, even though the demand will be from Rochester to Toronto, not Toronto to Rochester But I guess if we want money to develop our water front, we can forget the ongoing promises from the Province and the Feds and just get American investors to develop it and take all the profits south of the border. After all isn't that the Canadian way? Negativity, perhaps? But realistic never the less! "zooando" wrote in message om... Ron, First I'd like to say great job with the message board. Keep up the good work. My next comment is to those who have come out to criticize Ron. Do you people enjoy always being so negative in your life?! All I've seen here is complaining for the sake of complaining. The ferry isn't even here and you guys are already berating it. How does anyone know if it is going to succeed or not? I bet all you critics won't even step foot on the boat next spring, but will continue to cast your negative light on it. If you really dissaprove of the ferry why don't you all get involved in politics and create your own policies and programs and do something constructive with all your negative energy. For all you people on the south side of the lake: I DON'T GET YOUR THINKING!!!!!! ARGH! You've all complained on here for years that theres nothing going on here, nothing to do, nothing positive being done. Now that something positive is FINALLY BEING DONE you complain about it too. What the hell?!!! I'm sure I'll get a backlash from this, but I'm just sick of the negativity in the area. Ron, you've been doing a great job with your websites showing off the area and getting people talking on your message boards. Keep up your positive thinkin & feelings for the area. --- e-mail: AMcomNOSPAM(you get the idea, I hate SPAM) supporter: http://www.billjohnson2003.com http://www.e-datingtips.com http://linkrochester.zooando.com (RocPic.Com) wrote in message ... Fast Ferry Rochester Toronto BBS & Chat Spring 2004 holds the promise of Toronto Canada and Rochester New York being bridged by the three daily journeys of the CATS Fast Ferry. My name is Ron, I live in Rochester NY, I am the webmaster of http://rocpic.com and in anticipation of the joining of the Rochester and Toronto communities, I have opened up the "RocYtz" BBS. http://rocpic.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi I chose the name RocYtz based on the three letter code for the Rochester and Toronto airports. I have also created and registered a RocYtz chat on irc.dal.net . For those familiar with IRC just go to irc.dal.net #rocytz . I am also the founder of #rochester . For those not familiar with IRC, I have created an easy to use Java based page that will offer you RocYtz chat, Toronto Chat, and Rochester Chat via a drop down menu. Here is a chat instruction page http://www.rocpic.com/discus/message...tml?1065745620 I am reaching out to Rochester and Toronto based message groups on Yahoo, MSN, and USENET. I feel this is a great opportunity for all parties to meet on common ground. It's BRAND NEW, so don't be put off by the lack of activity, be one of the first to contribute to what could be a very interesting Canadian and American BBS & Chat. Thank You. ron_m Rochester & Toronto Message Board http://rocpic.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi RocYtz Chat irc.dal.net Jpilot Java connection. http://www.rocpic.com/discus/message...tml?1065745620 Rochester Weather Web Cams & Photo Archive http://rocpic.com |
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Yankeefan wrote in message ... I know..let's pump 14 million into a boat..all we have to do to raise the funds is do away with libraries, teachers and their support staff, and any extra-cirricular activities that might keep the kids minds off of criminal enterprises...Yeah, that's the ticket!!! We can have both. Who said we couldn't? |
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Hey, you have a great point. Who the heck knows if this service will
be a success, or just another company that goes bankrupt. Down here in Rochester the ferry has been mentioned in the local paper, or on the local tv news about once a week since the project got approved about a year ago. And even before that when it was just plans & blueprints the ferry was getting talked about a lot. I've also talked with a lot of people and I hear much of the same thing: we'd rather relax and enjoy the trip accross the lake rather than drive up to Toronto on the QEW. I guess coming from an area of 200,000+ we aren't used to a densly packed expressway system, lol. I do think you're right in saying that more Americans will be heading north than Canadians heading south. I've always loved heading up to Toronto for Blue Jays games, and to check out the arts & entertainment, and the restaurants & lovely cafe's. For me this ferry makes Toronto seem all that much closer and easier to get to. Oh, I just found the website of the company running the ferry -- http://catsfastferry.com/ Andy --- e-mail: AMcomNOSPAM(you get the idea, I hate SPAM) supporter: http://www.billjohnson2003.com http://www.e-datingtips.com http://linkrochester.zooando.com "Defender of Enormous Manhood" wrote in message .cable.rogers.com... Well it might be a roaring success. 800 odd people per 2+ trip sounds like it might meet the demand. How many people from the Toronto area go to Rochester each day, by plane, car, rail, bus? All I know is I have no reason or desire to visit Rochester. At 200,000+ people, it's not like a major center. Now if it docked in Buffalo, it might appear to make economic sense. I have seen no studies that say such a service is needed. I have seen no statisitics that establish that there is a need or a market. But I am sure the American company that will be running it, that got the City of Toronto to donate lands for a port, must have some reason to think it will be a success. Of course it could be just another o fthe majority of new businesses that go bankrupt, based on an unrealistic business case. Of course in field of dreams, they say "if you build it they will come". But where is the evidence that they will come? It makes more sense to build a highspeed ferry to Hamilton. It's tice the size of Rochester and no customs required. So I suppose if the America company wants to gamble their money, they have that right. But why did the City of Toronto gamble our land? What is their cut? Regardless of the name, it's an American company, so no profits for Canada. And obviously Canada is where the customer base will come from, even though the demand will be from Rochester to Toronto, not Toronto to Rochester But I guess if we want money to develop our water front, we can forget the ongoing promises from the Province and the Feds and just get American investors to develop it and take all the profits south of the border. After all isn't that the Canadian way? Negativity, perhaps? But realistic never the less! |
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"zooando" wrote in message om... Hey, you have a great point. Who the heck knows if this service will be a success, or just another company that goes bankrupt. Down here in Rochester the ferry has been mentioned in the local paper, or on the local tv news about once a week since the project got approved about a year ago. And even before that when it was just plans & blueprints the ferry was getting talked about a lot. I've also talked with a lot of people and I hear much of the same thing: we'd rather relax and enjoy the trip accross the lake rather than drive up to Toronto on the QEW. I guess coming from an area of 200,000+ we aren't used to a densly packed expressway system, lol. I do think you're right in saying that more Americans will be heading north than Canadians heading south. I've always loved heading up to Toronto for Blue Jays games, and to check out the arts & entertainment, and the restaurants & lovely cafe's. For me this ferry makes Toronto seem all that much closer and easier to get to. and ultimately, that's a great thing, for us in toronto and for those from roch. i am curious about the negativity though. it feels as though it comes from 'news syndrome': ie, happy stories don't sell... people like the drama so they create it, oft times unnecessarily. Oh, I just found the website of the company running the ferry -- http://catsfastferry.com/ Andy --- e-mail: AMcomNOSPAM(you get the idea, I hate SPAM) supporter: http://www.billjohnson2003.com http://www.e-datingtips.com http://linkrochester.zooando.com "Defender of Enormous Manhood" wrote in message .cable.rogers.com... Well it might be a roaring success. 800 odd people per 2+ trip sounds like it might meet the demand. How many people from the Toronto area go to Rochester each day, by plane, car, rail, bus? All I know is I have no reason or desire to visit Rochester. At 200,000+ people, it's not like a major center. Now if it docked in Buffalo, it might appear to make economic sense. I have seen no studies that say such a service is needed. I have seen no statisitics that establish that there is a need or a market. But I am sure the American company that will be running it, that got the City of Toronto to donate lands for a port, must have some reason to think it will be a success. Of course it could be just another o fthe majority of new businesses that go bankrupt, based on an unrealistic business case. Of course in field of dreams, they say "if you build it they will come". But where is the evidence that they will come? It makes more sense to build a highspeed ferry to Hamilton. It's tice the size of Rochester and no customs required. So I suppose if the America company wants to gamble their money, they have that right. But why did the City of Toronto gamble our land? What is their cut? Regardless of the name, it's an American company, so no profits for Canada. And obviously Canada is where the customer base will come from, even though the demand will be from Rochester to Toronto, not Toronto to Rochester But I guess if we want money to develop our water front, we can forget the ongoing promises from the Province and the Feds and just get American investors to develop it and take all the profits south of the border. After all isn't that the Canadian way? Negativity, perhaps? But realistic never the less! |
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Well somebody is really excited about the ferry service!
First I don't mean to put the ferry service down, or dampen the excitement so many people feel about this service. I think you just put the missing context into the discussion. In a town of 200,000+, a ferry service is BIG news! In a city of 4.3 million its relegated to the back pages, and most people are not even aware of it. I wasn't until it was posted here - not this time, but the last time. And yes, a couple of ou newspapers have written about it. We have an airport on one of the Toronto Islands. It's not a major airport, but it is busy. It is a favorite of the business class of travelers going on short trips. They want to expand the airport to service jets, because now it just services small propeller driven planes. There is split support for expansion. Bay Street (Canada's Wall Street) loves the idea of jets, while envronmentalists hate the idea, and then there is the middle ground. That little airport is the one that is YTZ. Not the busiest Airport in Canada, YYZ or the 10th busiest airport in Canada YRZ, all which are Toronto airports. So it's okay if you want to pick our smallest airport to identify with, but it may be a mistake if you want Torontonians to identify with it in a big way. What is making news - well that airport loses 2 million dollars a year. That is why they want to expand it. More planes, and longer range jets would generate more business, more business means more flights, more flights means more fees for the airport, and more fees could mean a profit. The Airport is minutes away from the downtown core, where the highest density of the population lives and works. Yes, people actually live in downtown Toronto, in great numbers. But the only way to get to the Island is by ferry boat. These are not high speed ferries. They were mostly built in the early 1900's and have been in service for years and years. They ferry people to the 5 or so Toronto Islands, including the Island airport. They have been talking about building a bridge. Build it and they will come type thinking again. And again there is a split. SHould it be a fixed link, or a draw bridge? The thing going in favour of the draw bridge is it won't interfere in a busy harbour's boat traffic, the thing against it is that it takes longer to open and close than the ferry ride across the channel. So, when it comes to that airport, and ferries, and getting more travellers to use the Island airport, a high speed ferry to Rochester just doesn't have the same kind of news worthyness here, and won't capture the headlines, or the imagination of the people. That doesn't mean that it is a bad idea. Obviously people from Toronto do go to Rochester, but I don't think it is a main tourist destination. Toronto is a major tourist destination, so perhaps there are a lot of Rochester residents that would like to have an alternative to highway driving, enjoy a scenic, relaxing trip across the lake, and have their cars to use when they get here. Gee, and it can hold almost .5% of the population of Rochester on one go! Also our city giving land for a depot/port is kinda lost on the scale of the waterfront. Toronto lost most of it's water front to industry over the decades. And while most that land has been reclaimed, as a city we have been wanting to redevelop the water front for the people, and to be a showcase to the world. Nice dreams. It's been over 20 years and not much has been re-developed. A project of that scale requires a lot of money. Even in American dollars, a lot of money. Business alone cannot afford it. The city can't afford it. We need money from the province and the feds to get construction going. And that is messy politics. But we just changed provincial governments. They are Liberals, the same party as the Feds in power. And they are pro cities, and will work together, rather than against each other, so the money may be coming. In contrast to the sale of that, the High Speed Ferry is like developing one square of sidewalk on a long and busy road. Not that it won't improve that piece of sidewalk, but when the whole sidewalk is to be re-developed, the one square doesn't get much attention. It is overshadowed by a much larger, much more newsworthy initiative that has way more importance to the residents of Toronto. We haven't built very much on the re-claimed waterfront lands. Lets see, um, the worlds largest free standing structure - the CN tower. The Skydome, which is not the worlds largest Domed stadium. but the only one with a retractable roof that works and continues to work. And Harbour Front. You talk about our expressways, well we have the Gardiner Express way that runs above Lakeshore Blvd, and that cuts off pedestrian traffic to the lake. We want to tear it down, or bury it. But it still stands and still cuts of access to the waterfront. So you can see why we can't, don't or won't get excited over a high speed ferry between Rochester and Toronto. But we could get excited about getting a NFL franchise Even if CFL is dying in this city. It might be a more exciting version of football, but it can only attract second string talent. So when you don't get the reaction you expect, when Torontonains don't share the excitement, it's not so much negativity, it's more boredom, like who the hell cares. And then a few comments as to why nobody here really cares. But that doesn't mean we don't wish our friends in Rochester a great success. Who knows, maybe all the tourists that come to visit our fair city, and end up on the waterfront in the great numbers that they do, many will decide to take the Ferry to Rochester and make it part of a day trip. I mean if the opportunity is there staring them in the face, its a 2 hour ferry ride, you might get a lot of shoppers taking up the service. after all Canadians love cross border shopping, deals abound! So between the two groups, it might just very well fly. Who knows, maybe even more ferries will have to be put into service? But what is making big news in Rochester isn't even getting a yawn in Toronto. Like I am sure our recent subway extension didn't even get a yawn in New York City! So perspective is key to how people look at events. "nightwriter" wrote in message able.rogers.com... "zooando" wrote in message om... Hey, you have a great point. Who the heck knows if this service will be a success, or just another company that goes bankrupt. Down here in Rochester the ferry has been mentioned in the local paper, or on the local tv news about once a week since the project got approved about a year ago. And even before that when it was just plans & blueprints the ferry was getting talked about a lot. I've also talked with a lot of people and I hear much of the same thing: we'd rather relax and enjoy the trip accross the lake rather than drive up to Toronto on the QEW. I guess coming from an area of 200,000+ we aren't used to a densly packed expressway system, lol. I do think you're right in saying that more Americans will be heading north than Canadians heading south. I've always loved heading up to Toronto for Blue Jays games, and to check out the arts & entertainment, and the restaurants & lovely cafe's. For me this ferry makes Toronto seem all that much closer and easier to get to. and ultimately, that's a great thing, for us in toronto and for those from roch. i am curious about the negativity though. it feels as though it comes from 'news syndrome': ie, happy stories don't sell... people like the drama so they create it, oft times unnecessarily. Oh, I just found the website of the company running the ferry -- http://catsfastferry.com/ Andy --- e-mail: AMcomNOSPAM(you get the idea, I hate SPAM) supporter: http://www.billjohnson2003.com http://www.e-datingtips.com http://linkrochester.zooando.com "Defender of Enormous Manhood" wrote in message .cable.rogers.com... Well it might be a roaring success. 800 odd people per 2+ trip sounds like it might meet the demand. How many people from the Toronto area go to Rochester each day, by plane, car, rail, bus? All I know is I have no reason or desire to visit Rochester. At 200,000+ people, it's not like a major center. Now if it docked in Buffalo, it might appear to make economic sense. I have seen no studies that say such a service is needed. I have seen no statisitics that establish that there is a need or a market. But I am sure the American company that will be running it, that got the City of Toronto to donate lands for a port, must have some reason to think it will be a success. Of course it could be just another o fthe majority of new businesses that go bankrupt, based on an unrealistic business case. Of course in field of dreams, they say "if you build it they will come". But where is the evidence that they will come? It makes more sense to build a highspeed ferry to Hamilton. It's tice the size of Rochester and no customs required. So I suppose if the America company wants to gamble their money, they have that right. But why did the City of Toronto gamble our land? What is their cut? Regardless of the name, it's an American company, so no profits for Canada. And obviously Canada is where the customer base will come from, even though the demand will be from Rochester to Toronto, not Toronto to Rochester But I guess if we want money to develop our water front, we can forget the ongoing promises from the Province and the Feds and just get American investors to develop it and take all the profits south of the border. After all isn't that the Canadian way? 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You might be able to have both?
If it is very successful and makes money, then there is income to tax. If it brings a thousand people in every trip and they spend money in the Rochester economy that will generate more income to tax. Business will be up, the economy will be stronger, the tax base will increase, and you might see a lot more than the $14 million dollars invested coming back in new tax dollars that can be invested in your schools, libraries, etc and more jobs. But if it is a flop, then it's money lost. But hey, the city of Toronto gave the land for a Toronto port for the ferry, and we are running at a $250,000,000 shortfall. Are we screaming that we gave the land - not sold it? No! We are just commenting on the need, and will it be used. And what we are being told is a lot of people from Rochester like to come and visit our city. So I guess we don't mind helping out friends Besides we are not taking the risks, and can benefit from the tourism. So it can only be a good thing all around - especially if it is a successful venture. "rms1" wrote in message ... Yankeefan wrote in message ... I know..let's pump 14 million into a boat..all we have to do to raise the funds is do away with libraries, teachers and their support staff, and any extra-cirricular activities that might keep the kids minds off of criminal enterprises...Yeah, that's the ticket!!! We can have both. Who said we couldn't? |
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Holy geez
Check out todays (monday oct 13) toronto star for a look at the catamaran that is being used for this. It is freaking huge! Looks like a BC Ferry for gods sake. I am uncertain as to what the deal is here, but that is a big boat to be servicing T.o-rochester. yikes. And dude promoting it, seriously, get a professional web designer to do your site. It is really ghastly and it certainly doesn't give creedance to the service when one looks at the boat itself. "Defender of Enormous Manhood" wrote in message . cable.rogers.com... : Well somebody is really excited about the ferry service! : First I don't mean to put the ferry service down, or dampen the excitement : so many people feel about this service. : I think you just put the missing context into the discussion. In a town of : 200,000+, a ferry service is BIG news! : In a city of 4.3 million its relegated to the back pages, and most people : are not even aware of it. I wasn't until it was posted here - not this time, : but the last time. And yes, a couple of ou newspapers have written about it. : : We have an airport on one of the Toronto Islands. It's not a major airport, : but it is busy. It is a favorite of the business class of travelers going on : short trips. They want to expand the airport to service jets, because now it : just services small propeller driven planes. There is split support for : expansion. Bay Street (Canada's Wall Street) loves the idea of jets, while : envronmentalists hate the idea, and then there is the middle ground. That : little airport is the one that is YTZ. : Not the busiest Airport in Canada, YYZ or the 10th busiest airport in Canada : YRZ, all which are Toronto airports. : So it's okay if you want to pick our smallest airport to identify with, but : it may be a mistake if you want Torontonians to identify with it in a big : way. : : What is making news - well that airport loses 2 million dollars a year. That : is why they want to expand it. More planes, and longer range jets would : generate more business, more business means more flights, more flights means : more fees for the airport, and more fees could mean a profit. The Airport is : minutes away from the downtown core, where the highest density of the : population lives and works. Yes, people actually live in downtown Toronto, : in great numbers. But the only way to get to the Island is by ferry boat. : These are not high speed ferries. They were mostly built in the early 1900's : and have been in service for years and years. They ferry people to the 5 or : so Toronto Islands, including the Island airport. : They have been talking about building a bridge. Build it and they will come : type thinking again. And again there is a split. SHould it be a fixed link, : or a draw bridge? The thing going in favour of the draw bridge is it won't : interfere in a busy harbour's boat traffic, the thing against it is that it : takes longer to open and close than the ferry ride across the channel. : : So, when it comes to that airport, and ferries, and getting more travellers : to use the Island airport, a high speed ferry to Rochester just doesn't have : the same kind of news worthyness here, and won't capture the headlines, or : the imagination of the people. That doesn't mean that it is a bad idea. : Obviously people from Toronto do go to Rochester, but I don't think it is a : main tourist destination. Toronto is a major tourist destination, so perhaps : there are a lot of Rochester residents that would like to have an : alternative to highway driving, enjoy a scenic, relaxing trip across the : lake, and have their cars to use when they get here. Gee, and it can hold : almost .5% of the population of Rochester on one go! : : Also our city giving land for a depot/port is kinda lost on the scale of the : waterfront. Toronto lost most of it's water front to industry over the : decades. And while most that land has been reclaimed, as a city we have been : wanting to redevelop the water front for the people, and to be a showcase to : the world. Nice dreams. It's been over 20 years and not much has been : re-developed. A project of that scale requires a lot of money. Even in : American dollars, a lot of money. Business alone cannot afford it. The city : can't afford it. We need money from the province and the feds to get : construction going. And that is messy politics. But we just changed : provincial governments. They are Liberals, the same party as the Feds in : power. And they are pro cities, and will work together, rather than against : each other, so the money may be coming. In contrast to the sale of that, the : High Speed Ferry is like developing one square of sidewalk on a long and : busy road. Not that it won't improve that piece of sidewalk, but when the : whole sidewalk is to be re-developed, the one square doesn't get much : attention. It is overshadowed by a much larger, much more newsworthy : initiative that has way more importance to the residents of Toronto. : : We haven't built very much on the re-claimed waterfront lands. Lets see, um, : the worlds largest free standing structure - the CN tower. The Skydome, : which is not the worlds largest Domed stadium. but the only one with a : retractable roof that works and continues to work. And Harbour Front. You : talk about our expressways, well we have the Gardiner Express way that runs : above Lakeshore Blvd, and that cuts off pedestrian traffic to the lake. We : want to tear it down, or bury it. But it still stands and still cuts of : access to the waterfront. So you can see why we can't, don't or won't get : excited over a high speed ferry between Rochester and Toronto. But we could : get excited about getting a NFL franchise Even if CFL is dying in this : city. It might be a more exciting version of football, but it can only : attract second string talent. : : So when you don't get the reaction you expect, when Torontonains don't share : the excitement, it's not so much negativity, it's more boredom, like who the : hell cares. And then a few comments as to why nobody here really cares. But : that doesn't mean we don't wish our friends in Rochester a great success. : Who knows, maybe all the tourists that come to visit our fair city, and end : up on the waterfront in the great numbers that they do, many will decide to : take the Ferry to Rochester and make it part of a day trip. I mean if the : opportunity is there staring them in the face, its a 2 hour ferry ride, you : might get a lot of shoppers taking up the service. after all Canadians love : cross border shopping, deals abound! : So between the two groups, it might just very well fly. Who knows, maybe : even more ferries will have to be put into service? : : But what is making big news in Rochester isn't even getting a yawn in : Toronto. Like I am sure our recent subway extension didn't even get a yawn : in New York City! So perspective is key to how people look at events. : : : "nightwriter" wrote in message : able.rogers.com... : : "zooando" wrote in message : om... : Hey, you have a great point. Who the heck knows if this service will : be a success, or just another company that goes bankrupt. Down here : in Rochester the ferry has been mentioned in the local paper, or on : the local tv news about once a week since the project got approved : about a year ago. And even before that when it was just plans & : blueprints the ferry was getting talked about a lot. I've also talked : with a lot of people and I hear much of the same thing: we'd rather : relax and enjoy the trip accross the lake rather than drive up to : Toronto on the QEW. I guess coming from an area of 200,000+ we aren't : used to a densly packed expressway system, lol. I do think you're : right in saying that more Americans will be heading north than : Canadians heading south. I've always loved heading up to Toronto for : Blue Jays games, and to check out the arts & entertainment, and the : restaurants & lovely cafe's. For me this ferry makes Toronto seem all : that much closer and easier to get to. : : : and ultimately, that's a great thing, for us in toronto and for those from : roch. i am curious about the negativity though. it feels as though it : comes from 'news syndrome': ie, happy stories don't sell... people like : the : drama so they create it, oft times unnecessarily. : : : : : : : Oh, I just found the website of the company running the ferry -- : http://catsfastferry.com/ : : : Andy : : --- : e-mail: AMcomNOSPAM(you get the : idea, I hate SPAM) : supporter: http://www.billjohnson2003.com : http://www.e-datingtips.com : http://linkrochester.zooando.com : : : : "Defender of Enormous Manhood" wrote in message : .cable.rogers.com... : Well it might be a roaring success. : 800 odd people per 2+ trip sounds like it might meet the demand. : How many people from the Toronto area go to Rochester each day, by : plane, : car, rail, bus? : All I know is I have no reason or desire to visit Rochester. At : 200,000+ : people, it's not like a major center. : Now if it docked in Buffalo, it might appear to make economic sense. : : I have seen no studies that say such a service is needed. I have seen : no : statisitics that establish that there is a need or a market. But I am : sure : the American company that will be running it, that got the City of : Toronto : to donate lands for a port, must have some reason to think it will be : a : success. Of course it could be just another o fthe majority of new : businesses that go bankrupt, based on an unrealistic business case. : : Of course in field of dreams, they say "if you build it they will : come". : But : where is the evidence that they will come? : It makes more sense to build a highspeed ferry to Hamilton. It's tice : the : size of Rochester and no customs required. : So I suppose if the America company wants to gamble their money, they : have : that right. But why did the City of Toronto gamble our land? What is : their : cut? Regardless of the name, it's an American company, so no profits : for : Canada. : And obviously Canada is where the customer base will come from, even : though : the demand will be from Rochester to Toronto, not Toronto to Rochester : : : But I guess if we want money to develop our water front, we can forget : the : ongoing promises from the Province and the Feds and just get American : investors to develop it and take all the profits south of the border. : After : all isn't that the Canadian way? : : Negativity, perhaps? But realistic never the less! : : : : |
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