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Bangkok, Thailand is now car-free. And freeways in the US and
Europe are being torn up. I-95 is being torn up from Florida to Maine and all other freeways from coast to coast are being torn up. LMFAO! Yeah righty ho there. Show me even 1 mile of freeway/motorway which is being torn up, right now? You can't because there isn't any. In fact there are new motorways being built. Actually, though San Fransisco is not on the road to be "car free," they have been tearing out a few freeways lately. And there was a news item last year about the opening of a new freeway in the LA area that was described as being "the last one to be built." All the good locations are already built out, building them is fiendishly expensive, and even the highway engineers I know admit that it's impossible to build your way out of traffic jams. These cities he mentions might not be "car free," but I would suspect that in the coming years it will become easier to live in an American city without havingto own a car. Which is a good thing, it's like getting a $5,000 a year pay raise (Estimates are that operating costs of a car are $7,000 a year, but you might need to spend $2,000 a year on transit passes and occasional car rentals to obtain equivalent mobility.) |
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"Baxter" wrote in message ... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "me" wrote in message om... (Dustin Lambert) wrote in message m... Count on the automobile disappearing in the US, Europe, and elsewhere in the world as American, European, Asian and other cities go car-free and freeways and roads in the US and Europe get ripped up and replaced with mass transit systems and cities go from large to small, giving way to small cities and towns. Auto use will disappear and walking, biking, and transit will be the only ways to get around. [snip] Reversing like 6000 years of human history. Yeah, that's gonna happen. I really wonder how people think their cause is served by such bald face lies. Really?! Cars have been around 6000 years?! Human mobility has been increasing throughout history, from boats to horsecarts to railroads to cars to airplanes. Try looking at the bigger picture. Nick Byram (Bay Area Exile) Antelope, CA In 1959, Nikita Khrushchev saw his first U.S. interstate freeway and said he was shocked by the waste of time, money, and effort. In his country, "there was little need for such roads because the Soviet people lived close together, did not care for automobiles, and seldom moved." |
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Dustin Lambert wrote: Count on the automobile disappearing in the US, Europe, and elsewhere in the world as American, European, Asian and other cities go car-free and freeways and roads in the US and Europe get ripped up and replaced with mass transit systems and cities go from large to small, giving way to small cities and towns. Auto use will disappear and walking, biking, and transit will be the only ways to get around. Single-family areas and businesses not in the downtown cores will disappear and the land revert to its natural state or be turned into farmland. This is already happening in Washington State, Oregon, and Northern California particularly Berkeley. Richard Register's eco-city project was unanimously approved by the Berkeley City Council and the way has been cleared for his company, Eco-City Builders, to start changing the city into an ecocity. He's working on other projects in China and New Zealand. San Francisco will be car-free as its streets are transformed into pedestrian malls. San Jose will do the same. Los Angeles and Santa Monics are already going car-free. European cities are already going car-free including London, Paris, Rome, Edinburgh, Milan, Dublin, Berlin, Oslo, Helsinki (its downtown area is already car-free), Dresden, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague, Strasbourg, all cities in Switzerland, Hamburg, Athens, Madrid, Istanbul, Prague, Stockholm, Brussels, Vienna, and Monte Carlo, Monaco. In Canada, Vancouver, British Columbia, Calgary, Alberta, Montreal and Toronto are going car-free. In the United States, Cleveland, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, New York City, Boston, Miami, Florida, Tampa, Florida, Portland, Oregon, Seattle, and Anchorage, Alaska are going car-free. In the Middle East, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem in Israel, cities in Morocco and Algeria, Cairo, Egypt, cities in Saudi Arabia, Tehran, Iran, and other Middle Eastern cities are going car-free. Bangkok, Thailand is now car-free. And freeways in the US and Europe are being torn up. I-95 is being torn up from Florida to Maine and all other freeways from coast to coast are being torn up. Air travel is also disappearing. Seven European nations have plans to close airports. This is all true. Sources: www.carfree.com www.carbusters.org European national and city web sites CNN Yahoo! News www.ci.berkeley.ca.us Freeways and paved roads are being torn up. America and the world are changing! Isn't it amazing that the planet Xintura has countries and cities with the same names as planet earth? What do you use for transportation to commute between the two? Do you need a prescription for it? And do you inhale it, swallow it or inject it? Paul |
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Nicholas Byram wrote:
Reversing like 6000 years of human history. Yeah, that's gonna happen. I really wonder how people think their cause is served by such bald face lies. Really?! Cars have been around 6000 years?! Human mobility has been increasing throughout history, from boats to horsecarts to railroads to cars to airplanes. Try looking at the bigger picture. Indeed. As density increases, cars become less and less efficient. For instance, I get around by bicycle in the medium-sized city where I live (Washington DC). Despite numerous challenges from friends over the years, nobody in a car has ever beat me anywhere within the city limits (including fairly long, uncongested runs like Takoma to downtown at 2am). During the more crowded mid-day hours the bicycle takes half the time (or even less) compared to driving. To my mind that's an increase in mobility. And the bicycle isn't exactly cutting-edge technology. Hence I see the car as an evolutionary dead-end that flourished temporarily but can't make it in the long run. Improvements such as computer-assisted driving will buy a few years but fundamentally automobiles are too space-inefficient in the long run. DC has very low population density compared with real cities. When living in proper built-up urban areas like London and New York the bicycle advantage was even more pronounced. miguel -- See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/ |
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"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
... Nicholas Byram wrote: Reversing like 6000 years of human history. Yeah, that's gonna happen. I really wonder how people think their cause is served by such bald face lies. Really?! Cars have been around 6000 years?! Human mobility has been increasing throughout history, from boats to horsecarts to railroads to cars to airplanes. Try looking at the bigger picture. Indeed. As density increases, cars become less and less efficient. Subways and tunnels. Rapid Transits and Big Digs. The principle remains the same. People are looking for mobility. Cars could be used less if people found it desirable to live in denser cities, where automobile mobility is decreased. However, given that many inner cities have undesirable environments to live and do business in, this isn't happening. Your city of Washington DC -- predominantly a crime-infested ghetto -- is a case in point. The population of DC is actually lower than it was in the 1950's. The same goes for New York City, San Francisco, and other dense cities. Moreover, this fact is precisely why this troll is an idiot. He makes idiotic statements like "cities go from large to small, giving way to small cities and towns. Auto use will disappear and walking, biking, and transit will be the only ways to get around." People in rural areas and smaller cities and towns drive much, much more than do central city dwellers. If he had any sense, he would be encouraging people to move into denser and denser inner cities, not smaller cities and towns, which are rural and suburban by nature. In fact, Luddites like him have contributed to the depopulation of central cities, as he and his ilk have driven up the costs of building and living in the central cities, pushing people out to suburbs, and now even exurbs. People like him, leftist criminal coddlers and antidevelopers predominantly, have also turned crime into a civil rights issue and driven up taxes, impeded construction projects, and in a myriad of other ways increased the risks and costs of living and doing business in the central cities, further causing the very sprawl and auto dependency he claims to oppose. For instance, I get around by bicycle in the medium-sized city where I live (Washington DC). Despite numerous challenges from friends over the years, nobody in a car has ever beat me anywhere within the city limits (including fairly long, uncongested runs like Takoma to downtown at 2am). Takoma to downtown is fine, but I am surprised that you are still alive if you bicycle anywhere else in DC. DC has very low population density compared with real cities. It has a MUCH higher density than most other American cities, and if people were not driven out by crime (turned into a civil rights issue), poor schools, a crumbling infrastructure, etc., it would have an even higher density. Most American cities and all rural areas will be using cars for centuries to come. Nick Byram (Bay Area Exile) Antelope, CA In 1959, Nikita Khrushchev saw his first U.S. interstate freeway and said he was shocked by the waste of time, money, and effort. In his country, "there was little need for such roads because the Soviet people lived close together, did not care for automobiles, and seldom moved." |
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I get around by bicycle in the medium-sized city where I live... That's great. I think we're going to see more of that in the future as many cities hopefully will become more friendly to bicycles and pedestrians. As much as I like bicycles, though, they're not as attractive as a commuter option when the weather's bad (rain, snow, cold, etc.), or if you're carrying big packages or groceries (I remember as a college student struggling to carry my big art portfolio case on my bike), and they aren't too practical for commuting long distances. And you're likely to get seriously hurt if you're hit by a car. Don't get me wrong, I love bikes and hope they are used more. But I think cars (or car-like vehicles) are going to be with us for a long time. I suspect we'll eventually see them become all-electric, and as you said we'll probably see some kind of computer control eventually (enter your destination into the car's computer and then just sit back as your car takes you there). James ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Remove "NOSPAM" from my address when sending me e-mail. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - |
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Subways and tunnels. Rapid Transits and Big Digs. The
principle remains the same. People are looking for mobility. =v= With more cars than people in the U.S., it's no wonder we're looking for mobility. Too bad all these cars are in the way. Too bad everywhere we want to get mobile to is three times as far away, because of everything in between that was built for cars instead of people. _Jym_ |
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