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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
In message someone claiming
to be David Monaghan typed: If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. The point isn't eliminating people that don't count, but rather, eliminating people who voluntarily place themselves in harm's way. -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:51:04 -0800, DevilsPGD
wrote: In message someone claiming to be David Monaghan typed: If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. The point isn't eliminating people that don't count, but rather, eliminating people who voluntarily place themselves in harm's way. The law doesn't see it that way and neither do statisticians. You might just as well include battered wives - "they had enough warnings". DaveM |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:11:53 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:28:18 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: Actually they're going down. http://www.london24.com/news/crime/ london_crime_rates_city_hall_hopefuls_react_to_f igures_1_1182980 -- Actually..not. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oc...es-fall-halted And it appears..that the crime stats have been juggled for quite a number of years.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1889927.html "Mr Grayling replied by promising to "take account of the request by the Statistics Authority, particularly with regard to the changes to recording practices made in 2002-03". Did you read the article? There was a change in the way crime figures were recorded, resulting in an apparent jump in the crime rate. Not really big news, unless you're attempting to show there's been a rocketing in some crime rate since - I don't know, say 1890?. DaveM |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
In message someone claiming
to be David Monaghan typed: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:51:04 -0800, DevilsPGD wrote: In message someone claiming to be David Monaghan typed: If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. The point isn't eliminating people that don't count, but rather, eliminating people who voluntarily place themselves in harm's way. The law doesn't see it that way and neither do statisticians. The law as written doesn't see it that way, but I'd bet that as a rule, police and courts certainly handle gang-on-gang violence differently than other types. This is certainly the case in any city where I've lived. -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:28:58 +0000, David Monaghan
wrote: Anyway, I take your point: If you pretend two thirds of the murders don't happen, the US murder rate is only 30% higher than England & Wales. I can see why you're proud. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year That's the second time you've made that claim. It might be possible that the _City of London_ only had single murder in a Victorian year, but it's known as "the square mile" for a reason. Even allowing for the much smaller population then, I don't believe that statistic. Source, please. DaveM http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/0...ome/singlepage http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1440764.stm Need more? Plenty of them out there. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:03:58 +0000, David Monaghan
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:11:53 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:28:18 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: Actually they're going down. http://www.london24.com/news/crime/ london_crime_rates_city_hall_hopefuls_react_to_ figures_1_1182980 -- Actually..not. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oc...es-fall-halted And it appears..that the crime stats have been juggled for quite a number of years.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1889927.html "Mr Grayling replied by promising to "take account of the request by the Statistics Authority, particularly with regard to the changes to recording practices made in 2002-03". Did you read the article? There was a change in the way crime figures were recorded, resulting in an apparent jump in the crime rate. Not really big news, unless you're attempting to show there's been a rocketing in some crime rate since - I don't know, say 1890?. DaveM So multiple burglaries in the same home are no longer counted as (1) burglary as they have been for many years? (as an example) So..what happened to the falling crime rate? And what happened to the lack of actual burglaries? In fact..I know Brits who have stopped reporting crimes simply because it does absolutely no good. Now about those machine guns in supervisors vehicles. Whatever are they there for? Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
In fact..I know Brits who have stopped reporting crimes simply because it does absolutely no good. I don't. Now about those machine guns in supervisors vehicles. Whatever are they there for? Now what's this one? As far as anyone is aware there is one single police force in the UK whoa re allowed access to fully automatic weapons, and that's the Nuclear Police, for pretty obvious reasons. Again, as far as is known, they've never ever used them. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:57 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a smack in the mouth in most places. And earns a serious beating in return for that smack. My limited experience is that a firm smack in the mouth ends almost all fights. I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that. There's absolutely no evidence at all that people carried guns as a matter of routine when no licenses were carried, indeed there's some evidence that nobody carried guns at all outside sportsmen carrying them to and from getting them repaired.. Laugh laugh laugh...oh of course not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... ' Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from being repaired. The Notting Hill outrage was a turning point in the British methodology for arming the police and after that numbers of firearms were held in all 'divisional police stations' and some officers at those stations were trained in their use. This system was used until replaced by the current 'Armed Response Unit' policy in 1991. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:17:42 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:28:58 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: Anyway, I take your point: If you pretend two thirds of the murders don't happen, the US murder rate is only 30% higher than England & Wales. I can see why you're proud. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year That's the second time you've made that claim. It might be possible that the _City of London_ only had single murder in a Victorian year, but it's known as "the square mile" for a reason. Even allowing for the much smaller population then, I don't believe that statistic. Source, please. http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm No mention of London. http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/0...ome/singlepage No mention of a year in London with a single murder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1440764.stm No mention of a year in London with a single murder. Need more? Plenty of them out there. I only need one, providing it has a reliable source reference for your claim: "In the UK, before the Acts of 1920..the murder rates in the UK were far lower. What was it...hummm 1890...(1) murder in London, and that done with an ax." Anyway, it's hardly surprising the murder rates are converging, although they're still a long way apart. Since 1979 on there's been an increasing gap between the earnings of the most wealthy and the least. The connection between violent crime and inequality is what's driving the change. In that sense are crime rate is rising because we're becoming more like the US. Hmmm. I wonder if that means your crime rates are dropping because you're becoming more like us? There's a thought... DaveM |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: In fact..I know Brits who have stopped reporting crimes simply because it does absolutely no good. I don't. Im not surprised no one wishes to discuss things with you. Now about those machine guns in supervisors vehicles. Whatever are they there for? Now what's this one? So you dont have an answer? http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...irst-time.html As far as anyone is aware there is one single police force in the UK whoa re allowed access to fully automatic weapons, and that's the Nuclear Police, for pretty obvious reasons. Again, as far as is known, they've never ever used them. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...irst-time.html http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...-1225945812696 http://middleeasy.com/index.php?opti...:organizations One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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