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Old October 16th, 2012, 07:33 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:13:13 -0400, Fly Guy wrote:

DevilsPGD wrote:

I object to the fact that people can and do pretend to need a
wheelchair to bypass the line,

I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me,
the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so
that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system.


The only abuse in this whole situation is being done to the flying
public by increasingly onerous, maniacal, punative, expensive and
ridiculous screening procedures and carriage rules implimented by the
gov't under the guise of the TSA (Transportation Screwing Agency).


Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on
earth.

  #22  
Old October 18th, 2012, 08:04 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally

In the last episode of ,
Bill said:

Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on
earth.


That makes it worse, not better.

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  #23  
Old October 18th, 2012, 08:04 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally

In the last episode of , Fly Guy
said:

Bill wrote:

I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me,
the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so
that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system.


The problem there is technical.


No it's not.

As I've said before, you can't have the porters that push the
wheelchairs get tied up in the security lines along with the people
they're pushing around. The porters are getting paid by the hour, and
it makes no sense to tie them up in the security lines.

Why do you not acknowledge that?


As a rule, I'd suggest the wheelchair user have their usual porter push
them through the airport, and that the airport be prepared to issue
passes through security for this purpose.

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The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 10:31 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:04:40 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In the last episode of , Fly Guy
said:

Bill wrote:

I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me,
the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so
that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system.

The problem there is technical.


No it's not.

As I've said before, you can't have the porters that push the
wheelchairs get tied up in the security lines along with the people
they're pushing around. The porters are getting paid by the hour, and
it makes no sense to tie them up in the security lines.

Why do you not acknowledge that?


As a rule, I'd suggest the wheelchair user have their usual porter push
them through the airport, and that the airport be prepared to issue
passes through security for this purpose.


I usually push my wife's mechanical wheelchair.

When we fly I have to carry my carry-on, her carry-on and any duty
free goods we might buy, if we can actually buy any because it is
often a problem to get a porter to take us through security before
the flight is called...

Before check-in, when we have the hold luggage with us, we have to
sit in the taxi until I can get a chair and a porter to push it to
get us inside while I manage the hold baggage for us both as well as
anything else.

Stop telling me what an easy ride I'm getting...
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Old October 18th, 2012, 10:31 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:04:40 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In the last episode of ,
Bill said:

Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on
earth.


That makes it worse, not better.


OK, use a wheelchair and find out just how horrible the experience
is.
  #26  
Old October 24th, 2012, 11:42 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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On 10/11/2012 04:42 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
DevilsPGD wrote:

The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
everyone else, and get screened in order.


I agree. It's extremely annoying to work your way up through a long security
line, dump all your stuff on the belt and just as you are about to walk through
the scanner, have someone in a chair cut in front of the line, take 10 minutes
to get out of the chair, find their bording pass and work their way through.

I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
really upset your moral principles.


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Old October 26th, 2012, 09:07 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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In the last episode of , Tom P
said:

I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
really upset your moral principles.


Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.

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The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
  #28  
Old October 26th, 2012, 10:11 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In the last episode of , Tom P
said:

I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
really upset your moral principles.


Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.


So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution?

An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of
checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that
out.

Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point,
never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities
disabled people need.

There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to
people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this
doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world...
  #29  
Old October 27th, 2012, 12:33 AM posted to rec.travel.air
DevilsPGD[_4_]
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Default Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally

In the last episode of ,
Bill said:

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In the last episode of , Tom P
said:

I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
really upset your moral principles.


Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.


So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution?

An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of
checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that
out.

Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point,
never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities
disabled people need.

There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to
people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this
doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world...


Possessing a handicap sticker or other formal documentation, or having a
doctor's note would be a good start. At least in Canada and the US, the
bar to get a handicap parking sticker should be low enough that most
qualifying individuals have one even if they don't drive, and would
absolve one of the risk of fines.

Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
board but abandon them when their planes land"

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The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 12:54 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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DevilsPGD wrote:

the traveler must also own or rent a wheelchair, walker or other
mobility device of their own, for use in their day to day lives,
and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000 fine for misuse
of the system


No.

Throw the people in jail who are responsible for the current violation
of civil and property rights that take place as part of airport
screening.

Throw them, and the politicians who enabled them to construct and
impliment the current systems in jail, and fine them $10k to boot.

Stop bleeting like ****ing sheeple and take back our freedoms and
liberties from these security fascists.
 




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