Eliat, Israel

In article , jjoyce1973
@hotmail.com says...

I know the risk to be caught in a terror attack exists, but I'd say
Eilat is pretty safe. But I will spend couple of days each in
Tel-Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem though. Driving or flying seems to be
the most sensible options. I'll try to avoid buses and crowded places.
Nevertheless, there's nothing you can do in case some wacko decides to
blow himself up. But, at least, the fear terrorists want to provoke in
average people won't stop me to enjoy my holydays. F*ck'em!.

Why do you have to go to Israel ? There are better places to visit in
the region and "safe" is better then "pretty safe".
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Lasse wrote in message
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Anders wrote in :


Definitely the Egyptian side, avoid Israel by all means these times.

And if you want to dive there is much better dive sites on the
Egyptian side too.

Not to mention the war, Egypt is friendly and peaceful and laid back
and there is no risk of getting a bullet in the head.

/Anders

Sigh...You don't tell someone to avoid a place when he/she asks for
advice on that place. People are traveling to Israel, Cuba, Myanmar,
Kashmir every day, and they're not looking for somewhere safer, less
interesting to them. As for myself, I'll be in Israel the same time,
driving from Tel Aviv to Eilat if you want a ride.

jb

I think you should avoid Israel for political reasons, not safety ones.
And BTW, this is the wrong newsgroup, Israel is not in Europe.

So it's ok to talk politics in a travel newsgroup, but not the Middle East
in a Europe newsgroup?
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DFM

Alfred Molon wrote in message
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In article , jjoyce1973
@hotmail.com says...

I know the risk to be caught in a terror attack exists, but I'd say
Eilat is pretty safe. But I will spend couple of days each in
Tel-Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem though. Driving or flying seems to be
the most sensible options. I'll try to avoid buses and crowded places.
Nevertheless, there's nothing you can do in case some wacko decides to
blow himself up. But, at least, the fear terrorists want to provoke in
average people won't stop me to enjoy my holydays. F*ck'em!.

Why do you have to go to Israel ? There are better places to visit in
the region and "safe" is better then "pretty safe".

Why travel at all? Staying at home is probably safer that safe!
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DFM

(jjoyce) wrote in message . com...
Anders wrote in message ...


Definitely the Egyptian side, avoid Israel by all means these times.

I know the risk to be caught in a terror attack exists, but I'd say
Eilat is pretty safe.

Safer than most places in Israel.

But I will spend couple of days each in
Tel-Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem though.

Sounds good.

Driving or flying seems to be
the most sensible options.

If safety is what you're concerned with, I'm not sure why driving
would be safer than catching the bus. The traffic in Israel is very
hectic, and about 500 people per year are killed in traffic accidents,
mostly involving cars rather than buses.

I'll try to avoid buses and crowded places.

I wouldn't bother. As far as I can see from available statistics,
you're about 5 times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident
than in a terrorist attack. That is, you're better off spending your
cautionary energy on looking very carefully first to the left, then to
the right, and then to the left again, before crossing any israeli
streets.

Nevertheless, there's nothing you can do in case some wacko decides to
blow himself up.

Exactly. Traffic incidents, however, you can improve your chances of
surviving. If you do decide to drive in Israel, be sure to wear the
safety belt at all times and drive carefully.

But, at least, the fear terrorists want to provoke in
average people won't stop me to enjoy my holydays. F*ck'em!.

Well, one of the points of travelling to places like Israel is that
it's an opportunity to get a look at reality beyond the headlines and
TV reporting. The conflict is extremely complicated, but with a
sufficiently open mind and a bit of luck you may come away with a
better understanding of the positions of both (all) parties involved.

Have fun, anyway.

Bjorn

Lasse wrote:

Anders wrote in :


Definitely the Egyptian side, avoid Israel by all means these times.

And if you want to dive there is much better dive sites on the
Egyptian side too.

Not to mention the war, Egypt is friendly and peaceful and laid back
and there is no risk of getting a bullet in the head.

/Anders

Sigh...You don't tell someone to avoid a place when he/she asks for
advice on that place. People are traveling to Israel, Cuba, Myanmar,
Kashmir every day, and they're not looking for somewhere safer, less
interesting to them. As for myself, I'll be in Israel the same time,
driving from Tel Aviv to Eilat if you want a ride.

jb

I think you should avoid Israel for political reasons, not safety ones.
And BTW, this is the wrong newsgroup, Israel is not in Europe.

l


Ahhhhhhhh, sorry, you are right about that. I'll try to remember that
they are in Asia.

/Anders


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Remove the obvious part before replying by mail please!

Not to mention the war, Egypt is friendly and peaceful and laid back
and there is no risk of getting a bullet in the head.


???
Just the head? I have a friend who was in Egypt a few years ago and planned to
go to Luxor. One of his travelling companions was not feeling well, so they
postponed the trip for one day. When they arrived the next day there were
still huge stains of dried up blood from the tourists who had been massacred
on they had planned to be there.

Dave Smith wrote in message
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Not to mention the war, Egypt is friendly and peaceful and laid
back
and there is no risk of getting a bullet in the head.


???
Just the head? I have a friend who was in Egypt a few years ago and
planned to
go to Luxor. One of his travelling companions was not feeling well, so
they
postponed the trip for one day. When they arrived the next day there were
still huge stains of dried up blood from the tourists who had been
massacred
on they had planned to be there.


That was several years ago, and security in Egypt has been massively
upgraded since then, as you probably well realise.
And, as in most affected coiuntries, the general populace is as anti the
terrorists as is the West.
This type of retrospective scaremongering does no good at all.
With the exception of Iraq there is no North African or Middle East country
I would not currently visit.

Surreyman

Dave Smith wrote:


Not to mention the war, Egypt is friendly and peaceful and laid back
and there is no risk of getting a bullet in the head.


???
Just the head? I have a friend who was in Egypt a few years ago and planned to
go to Luxor. One of his travelling companions was not feeling well, so they
postponed the trip for one day. When they arrived the next day there were
still huge stains of dried up blood from the tourists who had been massacred
on they had planned to be there.

Yeah, that happened in Dresden too - in Europe.

Albeit during WW2 but it happened, beware of Dresden, the whole city may
be bombed again..............

Or has things changed since the past?

/Anders


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Remove the obvious part before replying by mail please!

"a.spencer3" wrote:

Just the head? I have a friend who was in Egypt a few years ago and
planned to
go to Luxor. One of his travelling companions was not feeling well, so
they
postponed the trip for one day. When they arrived the next day there were
still huge stains of dried up blood from the tourists who had been
massacred
on they had planned to be there.


That was several years ago, and security in Egypt has been massively
upgraded since then, as you probably well realise.
And, as in most affected coiuntries, the general populace is as anti the
terrorists as is the West.

Yes, it was in 1997, 16 years after people from the same group killed Anwar
Sadat. They had also been responsible for a number of other attacks on tourists
in Egypt.

This type of retrospective scaremongering does no good at all.
With the exception of Iraq there is no North African or Middle East country
I would not currently visit.

Fear mongering my ass. I responding to the post that suggested that people visit
Egypt instead of Israel because it was supposedly so safe. I have a nephew who
just returned from three weeks in Egypt. He said that he could go out for a walk
at 3 am and feel perfectly safe...... because there was a policeman on every
corner. He also travelled with a body guard.

The Egyptian government took a number of steps to help the tourism industry
recover from a number of attacks that had been aimed at scaring away foreigners.
They slashed air far, reduced admission fees to ancient sites, and they
increased armed security.

There is a big difference between fear mongering and fair warning.

Dave Smith wrote in message
...
Fear mongering my ass. I responding to the post that suggested that
people visit
Egypt instead of Israel because it was supposedly so safe. I have a nephew
who
just returned from three weeks in Egypt. He said that he could go out for
a walk
at 3 am and feel perfectly safe...... because there was a policeman on
every
corner. He also travelled with a body guard.


'A policeman on every corner' is a gross exaggeration, but even if there had
been, what is therefore the complaint? 3 a.m. in any major city (assuming he
was) has its potential dangers.
Frankly, I also would feel safer in Cairo than in Jerusalem at the moment.

Surreyman