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"127.0.0.1" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:30:35 +0100, B wrote: Look, don't fool yourself. If New York City were to vanish tomorrow, Connecticut and New Jersey would soon have the economy of Nebraska. 1. nonsense 2. exactly what would be wrong with that? 3. why should people outside NYC support NYC? er, because NYC helps to support you? Besides you don't "support" NYC. A very small part of your tax dollar assists some functions that serve NYC. Similarly a small part of the tax dollar of a NYC resident helps to support functions that serve you. |
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"127.0.0.1" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:19:54 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote: 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 wrote: B wrote: Look, don't fool yourself. If New York City were to vanish tomorrow, Connecticut and New Jersey would soon have the economy of Nebraska. 1. nonsense 2. exactly what would be wrong with that? New Jersey and Connecticut are currently about the richest states in the country. Nebraska isn't. 3. why should people outside NYC support NYC? They don't. NYC is a huge net contributor to the federal budget. That money then goes out to the hinterlands. miguel, you don't appear to have a clue, when I HAVE TO PAY A $7 toll to cross a bridge in order to subsidize nyc's mass transit, I am not supporting the "hinterlands", if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make it so easy for everyone to know how ignorant you are on the subject you're trying to opine on Hmmm...those bridges are NYC area bridges. So obviously, NYC plays a role in your life or you would never travel to or through it. |
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"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message ... 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 wrote: (Miguel Cruz) wrote: 3. why should people outside NYC support NYC? They don't. NYC is a huge net contributor to the federal budget. That money then goes out to the hinterlands. miguel, you don't appear to have a clue, when I HAVE TO PAY A $7 toll to cross a bridge in order to subsidize nyc's mass transit, I am not supporting the "hinterlands" I may not have stated my point that clearly. More tax money leaves New York City than comes in. This is (obviously, assuming Newtonian conservation principles apply to money) not the case everywhere. So your bridge toll may go in part to New York-area transit, but at the same time New Yorkers are paying even more money to support programs way outside the city. Precisely. For example, NYC residents pay taxes that support your roads...even if they don't own cars. |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:15:50 -0500, "Bill" wrote:
So your bridge toll may go in part to New York-area transit, but at the same time New Yorkers are paying even more money to support programs way outside the city. Precisely. For example, NYC residents pay taxes that support your roads...even if they don't own cars. Not unless they buy gasoline or diesel. rj |
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"RJ" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:15:50 -0500, "Bill" wrote: So your bridge toll may go in part to New York-area transit, but at the same time New Yorkers are paying even more money to support programs way outside the city. Precisely. For example, NYC residents pay taxes that support your roads...even if they don't own cars. Not unless they buy gasoline or diesel. Incorrect. A portion of general revenue taxes goes into roads as well. |
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"127.0.0.1" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:07:50 -0500, "Bill" wrote: Do you care about the economic survival of NYC? That effects an area much wider than NYC or even the NYC metro area. I don't care to pay for NYC's survival Then you obviously do not understand the interconnectedness of the nation's and even the world's economy. If NYC goes down the tubes (which it won't) you will be poorer. |
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:07:43 -0500, "Bill" wrote:
"127.0.0.1" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:07:50 -0500, "Bill" wrote: Do you care about the economic survival of NYC? That effects an area much wider than NYC or even the NYC metro area. I don't care to pay for NYC's survival Then you obviously do not understand the interconnectedness of the nation's and even the world's economy. If NYC goes down the tubes (which it won't) you will be poorer. Think of your respondant as a bigot, like an unreconstructed racist or Jew-hater or violent homophobe, whatever. Some people have such a powerful irrational hatred of New York City that they don't understand that this city gets way less in government spending from both the state and federal government than we pay in taxes, but are simply obsessed with making the city go to Hell. It's not worth talking to this asshole, in my opinion. Michael If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the TRASH, so to speak. Please do not email me something which you also posted. |
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"Bill" wrote in message ...
"127.0.0.1" wrote in message news On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:53:43 -0500, "Bill" wrote: "127.0.0.1" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:20:28 GMT, Rita wrote: Especially in New York City. One can't imagine what the city would be like without it. Imagine if everyone attempted to drive a car to work and then park it. people who live 20-50-80 miles away are tolled and taxed to provide that mass transit in NYC, I rarely go into to NYC, and you can be sure that my region is not served by NYC transit so why should I support their mass transit? Because if you're within 80 miles of NYC, your local economy depends on a healthy NYC, and that depends on mass transit. that's a bunch of BS, our area has nothing to do with nyc's economy. according to census data less than 12% of the population here commutes to NYC You obviously don't understand economics. NYC's economic region is much wider than NYC. Without NYC, the surrounding areas would have much, much smaller economies. How many people commute to areas outside of NYC which depend on the NYC regional economic engine? How many people from that area (assuming you are outside of that area) come to your area to recreate, purchase property, frequent businesses? I live 150 miles from NYC. However I appreciate the influence that NYC has on the economy of my region. And I'm happy to pay a few pennies of my gas or other taxes to help the NYC region have a functioning mass transit system without which many more of them would want to move up here. I read somewhere that the average salary of a Metro North commuter is 125K or so.... makes you feel good subsidizing milionares eh? |
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"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message om... "Bill" wrote in message ... "127.0.0.1" wrote in message news On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:53:43 -0500, "Bill" wrote: "127.0.0.1" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:20:28 GMT, Rita wrote: Especially in New York City. One can't imagine what the city would be like without it. Imagine if everyone attempted to drive a car to work and then park it. people who live 20-50-80 miles away are tolled and taxed to provide that mass transit in NYC, I rarely go into to NYC, and you can be sure that my region is not served by NYC transit so why should I support their mass transit? Because if you're within 80 miles of NYC, your local economy depends on a healthy NYC, and that depends on mass transit. that's a bunch of BS, our area has nothing to do with nyc's economy. according to census data less than 12% of the population here commutes to NYC You obviously don't understand economics. NYC's economic region is much wider than NYC. Without NYC, the surrounding areas would have much, much smaller economies. How many people commute to areas outside of NYC which depend on the NYC regional economic engine? How many people from that area (assuming you are outside of that area) come to your area to recreate, purchase property, frequent businesses? I live 150 miles from NYC. However I appreciate the influence that NYC has on the economy of my region. And I'm happy to pay a few pennies of my gas or other taxes to help the NYC region have a functioning mass transit system without which many more of them would want to move up here. I read somewhere that the average salary of a Metro North commuter is 125K or so.... makes you feel good subsidizing milionares eh? There's more to NYC mass transit than Metro North. There's also the subway system which serves people of all economic strata. Besides, 125K in the NYC suburbs will allow you to struggle with an average mortgage. Half that salary in upstate NY beyond the NYC suburbs will allow you to live quite nicely. |
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