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Old September 17th, 2005, 04:00 AM
JamesD
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Glad to see that even a CGA ADMITS THAT UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS WERE
GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION - WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE ANY UPGRADING
COURSES OR EXAMS!!

They are still CGAs in BC and Alberta, and those responsible in the
CGA organisation, instead of censure, received plaudits instead - WF
Mearns got his FCGA for bringing the hundreds of unqualifieds!!

The national association did absolutely nothing when the provincial
groups brought in all the unqualified people, because the national
body also profited financially from all these extra bodies!!

In western Canada, and presumably in Ontario also, are many
UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS, who have no formal education, but are still
legally CGAs, working in the same union so to speak, as those CAs and
CGAs who had to have formal training, after a university degree.

To suggest that one is known by the company one keeps IS NOT
SLANDEROUS as you claim. It is your CGA association that allowed this
to happen.

It is your CGA group that honoured the criminal William F.Mearns, and
then had to withdraw his credentials when he went to prison!!

Quite apart from several other prominent thefts by senior CGAs
reported in BC!! I will dig into the morgue at the Vancouver papers,
who carried many of these news stories,such as the newsnet article
following:

Jan 9 1997, 2:00 am

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china, soc.culture.taiwan,
soc.culture.hongkong, hk.general, hk.super.net
From: WAHRHEIT - Find messages by this author
Date: 1997/01/09
Subject: CANADIAN ACCOUNTING PAST PRESIDENT(CGA)=GETS 3 1/2 YEARS
PRISON!!!

PAST PRESIDENT CGA - CRIMINAL TRIAL - GETS 3 1/2 YEARS IN PRISON!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WARNING RE CGA CANADA

OF CONCERN TO ACCOUNTING STUDENTS, ACCOUNTANTS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC

CGA'S IN CANADA - WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM?


Further to previous news reports,the Past President of CGA Alberta,
William L. Mearns, 52, has finally been sentenced to 3 1/2 years in
prison on his conviction for embezzling more than C$1.3 million from
the County of Red Deer,Alberta.

Over the past year, national media have been filling the news with
stories of major scandals involving prominent CERTIFIED GENERAL
ACCOUNTANTS (CGA's) in Canada.

In Alberta, the media have had a field day for the past year,
reporting on the fact that a PAST PRESIDENT OF CGA ALBERTA, and FCGA
and CGA, was under criminal investigation, was charged with 14 serious
criminal charges, and has now been sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison.

The complaints against Mearns were originally filed by the Hongkong
Bank to the RCMP Commercial Crime Division.

The HK Bank were complaining about William L. Mearns, who had been for
12 years the Controller/Treasurer of the County of Red deer, Alberta.

MEARNS WAS CHARGED WITH 14 SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES, as reported by
CFRN-TV, the Edmonton Sun, and Red Deer Advocate. Among the charges
are 5 charges of uttering forged documents, another 5 charges of
making a false document, 2 more charges of forgery, one more charge of
fraud, and one of theft over $5,000.00

MORE THAN 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS was documented in Court as embezzled by
Mearns.

Following a third adjournment requested by Mearns, on 4th October
1996, Mearns was convicted, and sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison.

The Special Crown Prosecutor stated " the motive in this case is very
obvious. The motive in everything I've seen is greed." "He was in a
position of public trust. In essence, he stole the money from each and
every ratepayer in this county."

At the end of 1995, without any advice to the general public or EVEN
TO MEMBERS OF CGA ALBERTA, MEARNS WAS ALLOWED TO SECRETLY RESIGN BOTH
HIS CGA AND FCGA DESIGNATIONS.

This seems to be a first for Canada, where an FCGA surrenders what was
supposed to be a prestigious designation. In the past year Mearns and
one of his businesses have both gone bankrupt.

Mind you, Mearns got his FCGA in connection with his work in
1987-1988, where he was involved with the ADMISSION TO CGA ALBERTA OF
UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS, WHO WERE GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION, WITHOUT
ANY REQUIREMENT FOR EDUCATION, QUALIFICATIONS, AND NO EXAMS, or even a
requirement for upgrading courses to bring them up to an acceptable
standard. CGA Alberta of course benefitted financially, from the huge
increase in dues and fees from these new unqualified members.
^^^^^^^^^^^
The Vancouver Sun and other national media carried banner headlines
regarding ROMAN EVANCIC, another FCGA, who had got himself SHOT!!!
This was apparently in connection with some business partner and a
collections problem. The news reported that the assailant said, as he
shot Evancic: "I'm from your stock brokers. I understand you ripped
him off." (Vancouver Sun - 11 January 1996)

And don't forget the scandal exposed on national TV of the Surrey, BC
CGA convicted of embezzling millions of dollars from fellow
parishioners of his church.

And now the media in Ontario are reporting regarding more scandals
involving senior members of CGA Ontario!!! Will the bad news never
stop?

Are these published reports, as well as others, part of the reason
that the Maritime Provinces have successfully maintained that CGA's in
those provinces ARE NOT QUALIFIED to perform public audits? Could it
have something to do with the fact that an unqualified CGA from
Alberta could move to the Maritimes, and even though unqualified,
could still call himself a CGA there?

As a result of the extensive bad publicity regarding problem CGA's in
Canada, CGA Canada is now desperately trying to recruit new members
from the ignorant in CHINA, S.E.Asia and the Caribbean.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Students of accounting in CHINA, S.E.Asia and the Caribbean, who must
pay many tens of thousands of dollars to obtain your designation, how
do YOU feel about these "gwaliau" whoi got the CGA for FREE?

Those of you concerned about credibility in the accounting profession
are invited to respond.



On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:56:49 -0400, RsH wrote:

As a CGA I rather resent this garbage. A CGA who has been properly
educated has spent at least 4 years getting the designation, passing
exams, and working in the field in something definitely related to
accounting. Otherwise they are NOT qualified and are NOT given the
designation. I can only, of course, speak for Ontario, where I earned
the designation in the 1970s. Yes, there may be a FEW who did not get
their degrees properly in Alberta, and who have not been thrown out of
the CGAs by the national association. If so, that is indeed unfortunate,
but to suggest that ALL CGAs are cast in the same pot is indeed
slanderous, and if you would care to give me full details as to your
name, address, and YOUR qualifications to make that statement, I will be
glad to pass this entire chain of correspondence on to CGA Canada, whose
lawyers will be glad to sue you for the slanderous statements you are
making.

RsH


On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:18:25 GMT, JamesD wrote:

Al Dente refuses to comment on the FACTS presented, regarding
problems with crooked, and unqualified CGA's.
Instead, he complains about crooked CA's - which seems to indicate he
believes that CA stands for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?

Does this mean CGA stands for CROOKED GARBAGE ACCOUNTANT?

Ask victims of the unqualified bookkeepers who got their CGA in BC and
Alberta, how they felt when the tax department re-assessed, due to
criminal incompetency of their CGA bookkeepers!!

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:53:21 -0400, Al Dente
wrote:

Yes, CGAs are qualified accountants, with standards of education at
least equal to CA's and superior in continuing education. Obviously
there have been bad apples; there are certainly many CA's like that (and
doctores, lawyers, etc.). (In all the corporate scandals, bad audits
were all signed by CAs in Canada or their partners, CPA's in the US.)
It's well known that you can buy a CA's signature on an audit report for
$50. My wife did that once. The CA was an old co-worker who had been
retired for years and had never done any audit work since graduation -
yet the CA association deemed him qualified. When my wife sold her
practice last year, no less than five CA's she'd never met offered to
buy it sight unseen on a dollar for dollar basis. CA's in Ontario took
the stance that all CA's in good standing are always automatically
qualified to sign audits and no one else ever is, in any circumstances,
and even urged all their members to apply for public accounting licences
before the recent rules changes. This absurd extremist view cost them
all credibility. Unfortunately there are still wackos like JamesD
around trying to smear a lot of very qualified hard working people in
order to try to protect what's left of their monopoly.


JamesD wrote:


Al Dente refers to the CGA association, as though it is comprised of
QUALIFIED accountants!


In Alberta the local CGA association incorporated UNQUALIFIED perons,
without rquiring any upgrading or training classes.

This was done under the aegis of now-disgraced CGA,and ex-FCGA,
William Mearns, the one who went to prison for embezzling $1,400,000
while treasurer of the County of Red Deer Alberta!!

In BC, it was similar, with CGA BC accepting unqualified bookkeepers,
again without any upgrading required.

In other words, CGA in Canada has no validity as far as true
qualifications, and certainly none for integrity.

It seems that the CGA's only wanted more members, so that their
executives could have more money to blow on their expenses....

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:21:42 -0400, Al Dente
wrote:

Al Dente wrote:

Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but

What are you talking about? I have a passport application in my hand
and there's no reference to bookkeepers in the guarantor section..

What makes a person "qualified" to be a guarantor? IMO it should
involve the risk of serious punishment if they falsely guarantee. The
threat of prosecution isn't enough. What stopped my wife from
guaranteeing someone she had known only a few months was not the fear of
gov't prosecution, but the fear of the CGA association suspending or
even expelling her for unethical conduct. Professional associations are
not bound by the same "innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt" constraints. And if you lose your membership, you're out of a
job in the field you worked so hard to attain, perhaps permanently,
everywhere in the country. A very stong incentive to follow the rules.

BTW, the original poster indicated engineers are not allowed. My
passport app says P. Eng's can sign.

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Old September 17th, 2005, 05:21 AM
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I did NOT admit any such thing... I said that some MAY have been given
the designation. I did not say I know that happened. Do not twist my
words for your own purposes. You made the statement that this happened,
and YOU need to provide the proof. Also, make certain that you are not
talking about people who were properly grandfathered into the
assocation; that often happens with the agreement of the national
association when a merger of two groups takes place, but those
grandfathered in ARE QUALIFIED! Otherwise they cannot be grandfathered.

So go back and read what I wrote... there is no such admission, there is
potential agreement with your claim, but not absolute agreement - you
need to provide the proof, just as I can provide proof that CAs have
grandfathered other groups in the past, without requiring the same
standards be met as a new CA needs to meet.

I, as a CGA, can go into the U.S. and easily qualify as a CPA by taking
a simple exam. Then, as a CPA, I can come back to Canada and become a
CA, based on my being a CPA in the US and having been a CGA in Ontario.
I do NOT need to take CA courses. What does that prove? By your logic,
is any such CA is not qualified to be a CA?

For the record, a crook is a crook is a crook, no mater what his
professional designation, or lack of a professional designation. That
applies in the fields of Law, Accounting, Medicine, Financial advice,
etc. I repeat that there MAY have been the odd CGA who passed the exams
without having to take the courses, for one reason or another, and who
was given the designation. That does NOT mean they were not qualified,
it means they had equivalency, or they would not have been granted the
designation, and to suggest otherwise is still slanderous.

Present your PROOF, not inuendo, and do NOT suggest that I agree that
even one CGA was granted a designation as a CGA without having QUALIFIED
for the designation. I am saying no such thing!

RsH
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:33:32 GMT, JamesD wrote:

Glad to see that even a CGA ADMITS THAT UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS WERE
GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION - WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE ANY UPGRADING
COURSES OR EXAMS!!

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Old September 17th, 2005, 04:39 PM
Defender of Enormous Manhood
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"JamesD" wrote in message
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Glad to see that even a CGA ADMITS THAT UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS WERE
GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION - WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE ANY UPGRADING
COURSES OR EXAMS!!


No he did not. He admitted that inorder to get their GGA designation they
would be qualified.
He said they would not be granted the designation if they were not
qualified.
Further he said that further upgrading and courses would not be required if
they had equivalency.
He said having equivalencey would qualify them for the designation.

What he said is there are no CGA's that are not qualified.

He addressed your erroneous reply, and you close your eyes, and hold your
ears and put words in his mouth.
Words he didn't say. Admissions he didn't make. You are a useless asshole.
You can't even pick an appropriate newsgroup for this discussion.
The general public doesn't give a rats ass. And um the Internet does not
protect you from a libel suit.
You are not defaming an individual, but a whole professional organization.
Perhaps they will sue your internet provider for your name and address, then
sue you?

Don't worry though, Canadian courts don't award much for libel or slander!

Ya moron!



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Old September 17th, 2005, 05:01 PM
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JamesD wrote:

Al Dente refuses to comment on the FACTS presented


You want facts? Here's the facts:

All provinces and territories in Canada recognize CGAs as qualified
accountants by law. None has made any move to lower that recognition,
not even Alberta and BC, where you claim a few CGAs did bad things.

Provinces that restricted the authority to conduct audits to CAs have
been moving to grant more rights in this field to CGAs, not less. Most
notably Ontario, which changed the rules a few years ago to put CGAs on
an equal footing by a unanimous vote in the Legislature. This was
reconfirmed by the new Liberal government, again with unanimous support.

The tax authorities recognize statements prepared by CGAs on a par with
those prepared by CAs for corporate tax returns.

All the banks have policies to accept financial statements prepared by
CGAs on a par with those prepared by CAs. (It was the cornerstone of
our business for 15 years.)

So. On one side we have all the Canadian legislatures, the tax
authorities and all the banks, who risk their money while relying on the
work of CGAs. On the other side we have some anonymous ranter on the
internet. Your call, folks.
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Old September 17th, 2005, 05:16 PM
Al Dente
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I've just discovered we've been had. Here's some info on him:

History: William Grosvenor- check him at Google.
A mentally disturbed person with a fixation on
Jews,Homosexuals,Lawyers,politicians and judges.
Using Usenet Zone he posts often to soc.culture.usa,
soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.europe,
soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.ukrainian pretending to be from
Firestone@Bellsouth. He frequently posts to alt.homosexual
using other peoples names in an
attempt to discredit them. He is transparent since
UsenetZone must show as the Organization.
His list of everchanging names only because he has no
credibility and fears posting under his own name.

A partial list of fake names below:








Ernst Zundholz




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freecycle@pepsiphreak





Georges Feuerstein







KenMcVay
noid



Ken McVaySOBC

PanPiotrGlownia@*


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Riain
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