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Post office accounting (was: Immigration Patrols On Domestic Amtrak)
Hatunen wrote:
Do the proceeds from postage sales go into Treasury, and are they earmarked somehow for wages? I asked. Post office income remains segregated as postal funds and isn't paid to the Treasury (except for specific federal programs the post office must contribute to, like pensions). The post office administers its own payroll. I don't know if postal retirees get federal pensions like other federal employees. |
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Immigration Patrols On Domestic Amtrak
Hatunen wrote:
On 04 Aug 2007 05:33:53 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: Hatunen wrote: Merritt Mullen wrote: "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: The post office is NOT a public corporation or any kind of corporation. It's a government agency. Till the Nixon administration, it was a cabinet-level executive department. It is a government agency in the common meaning of the word, but it is legally defined as "an independent establishment of the executive branch." The law (39 U.S.C, sec. 201) says: "There is established, as an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, the United States Postal Service." I know, picky, picky. More than "picky, picky". As I said, "agency" has a specific legal meaning that does not apply to independent units such as the USPS or the Federal Reserve. If you're talking about things like civil service pay grades, the postal service isn't subject to that (thanks to much better representation by postal unions than civil service unions years ago). Teh legaal term "agency" has nothing to do with pay grades. You haven't cited the statute defining "agency" for whatever point you are making. You want to tell us? |
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Requirements to have Social Security Numbers
Hatunen wrote:
On 04 Aug 2007 05:47:19 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: Hatunen wrote: And, under changing requirements of identification for employment, for giving evidence that one is part of the SS system and has an SS number. For about the last fifteen years I have had to present by SS card to propective empoyers. Needless to say, they are easily fakeable, but the potential empoyers still photocopy my SS card and birth certificate for their records. I believe it gets them off the hook on certain federal requirements. Hardly. Demanding a birth certificate would put an employer on the hook for violating civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination in hiring older Americans. Nevertheless, they do. Another cute trick is when an employeer demands to know the year of graduation from high school. That usually lets you learn someone's age within a few months. |
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Immigration Patrols On Domestic Amtrak
On 05 Aug 2007 02:49:33 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman"
wrote: Hatunen wrote: On 04 Aug 2007 05:33:53 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: Hatunen wrote: Merritt Mullen wrote: "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: The post office is NOT a public corporation or any kind of corporation. It's a government agency. Till the Nixon administration, it was a cabinet-level executive department. It is a government agency in the common meaning of the word, but it is legally defined as "an independent establishment of the executive branch." The law (39 U.S.C, sec. 201) says: "There is established, as an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, the United States Postal Service." I know, picky, picky. More than "picky, picky". As I said, "agency" has a specific legal meaning that does not apply to independent units such as the USPS or the Federal Reserve. If you're talking about things like civil service pay grades, the postal service isn't subject to that (thanks to much better representation by postal unions than civil service unions years ago). Teh legaal term "agency" has nothing to do with pay grades. You haven't cited the statute defining "agency" for whatever point you are making. You want to tell us? An agency functions as an agent. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Post office accounting (was: Immigration Patrols On Domestic Amtrak)
On 05 Aug 2007 02:46:25 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman"
wrote: Hatunen wrote: Do the proceeds from postage sales go into Treasury, and are they earmarked somehow for wages? I asked. Post office income remains segregated as postal funds and isn't paid to the Treasury (except for specific federal programs the post office must contribute to, like pensions). The post office administers its own payroll. I don't know if postal retirees get federal pensions like other federal employees. So then it is not true that "[the postal service] is not any kind of corporation, such as Amtrak is, and its employees are government employees paid by the Treasury Department"? -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Requirements to have Social Security Numbers
On 05 Aug 2007 02:51:24 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman"
wrote: Hatunen wrote: On 04 Aug 2007 05:47:19 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: Hatunen wrote: And, under changing requirements of identification for employment, for giving evidence that one is part of the SS system and has an SS number. For about the last fifteen years I have had to present by SS card to propective empoyers. Needless to say, they are easily fakeable, but the potential empoyers still photocopy my SS card and birth certificate for their records. I believe it gets them off the hook on certain federal requirements. Hardly. Demanding a birth certificate would put an employer on the hook for violating civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination in hiring older Americans. Nevertheless, they do. Another cute trick is when an employeer demands to know the year of graduation from high school. That usually lets you learn someone's age within a few months. I checked back. What is actually required is proof of citizenship, which for many people will be a birth certificate (accompanied by some sort of photo ID). I presume a passport will also serve. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Post office accounting (was: Immigration Patrols On Domestic Amtrak)
Hatunen wrote:
On 05 Aug 2007 02:46:25 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: Hatunen wrote: Do the proceeds from postage sales go into Treasury, and are they earmarked somehow for wages? I asked. Post office income remains segregated as postal funds and isn't paid to the Treasury (except for specific federal programs the post office must contribute to, like pensions). The post office administers its own payroll. I don't know if postal retirees get federal pensions like other federal employees. So then it is not true that "[the postal service] is not any kind of corporation, such as Amtrak is, and its employees are government employees paid by the Treasury Department"? So argue with Merritt. He got part of it correct. |
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Immigration Patrols On Domestic Amtrak
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Hatunen wrote: On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:00:33 GMT, Merritt Mullen wrote: In article , Hatunen wrote: Do the proceeds from postage sales go into Treasury, and are they earmarked somehow for wages? I don't know the details and am too lazy to research them, but, presumably, yes. I don't think I care to proceed on your uncaring assumptions. You cared enough to make the flat our assertion, "As you say it [the postal service] not any kind of corporation, such as Amtrak is, and its employees are government employees paid by the Treasury Department." In what way were you intending to proceed? Are you thinking of taking a job with the USPS? You do me a disservice implying I think you are fool enough to take my assertions as fact. I certainly don't think that and would expect you to check for yourself and have the courtesy to correct me if I am wrong (I am sure I am often wrong). We are having a conversation here, not making a legal deposition, or writing a paper for peer review. Merritt |
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Requirements to have Social Security Numbers (was: Rules for border crossings into the United States)
"Sapphyre" wrote in message
oups.com... They also have details of my commercial crossings too, since the last time I crossed (recently) he asked if I had any of those things with me on "this trip" (since it was a rare time for me not to be in the commercial lane). So I figure with my commercial stuff, that's definitely keyed in by someone in some detail, that they know what I'm carrying, even if it's only by Tariff code. It'd slipped my mind that you cross commercially; that's what's getting you more scrutiny, particularly on occasions where you deviate from your pattern. The fact you weren't actually born in Canada is also going to hurt, though how much I can't guess since AFAIK you haven't said where you _were_ born or what ethnicity you appear to be. My comments apply only to those crossing infrequently and exclusively for business meetings or pleasure. I know dozens of folks, with passports from both sides, and nearly all of their experiences match mine: as long as you aren't seeking employment in the other country (or, in the case of the US, appear hispanic or middle-eastern), they don't ask many questions. S -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do." K5SSS --Isaac Asimov -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Requirements to have Social Security Numbers
"Adam H. Kerman" wrote in message reenews.net... Hatunen wrote: On 04 Aug 2007 05:47:19 GMT, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: Hatunen wrote: And, under changing requirements of identification for employment, for giving evidence that one is part of the SS system and has an SS number. For about the last fifteen years I have had to present by SS card to propective empoyers. Needless to say, they are easily fakeable, but the potential empoyers still photocopy my SS card and birth certificate for their records. I believe it gets them off the hook on certain federal requirements. Hardly. Demanding a birth certificate would put an employer on the hook for violating civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination in hiring older Americans. Nevertheless, they do. Another cute trick is when an employeer demands to know the year of graduation from high school. That usually lets you learn someone's age within a few months. US law requires persons seeking employment to present proof of citizenship (birth certificate or passport), and proof of identity (long list of qualifying documents including drivers license). For those who are legal residents, they are supposed to present a valid green card. All items presented are copied and kept on file in case the company/business is audited/raided by the government and needs to show proof to cover their backs they did not knowingly hire an illegal alien. Yes, SS cards are easily forged, everyone knows that and the government has shown little real effort in putting a stop to the practice. All that has to be done is to order the SSA by law or presidential executive order, to stop accepting duplicate/fraudulent SS numbers. However since those numbers translate into millions if not billions of dollars collected yearly, it would cause fiscal panic in Congress should those funds stop. It is a dirty little secret that even those so against illegal aliens working won't entirely admit. What they are proposing is to make those payments off limits to the worker (and his heirs) in the future. |
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