Christmas vs "Holidays"

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:51:05 -0500, Fred wrote:

The Yahoo people can add him in with us

Some of the Yahoo crowd can't add.

In article ,
says...
Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe
in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday
pay that goes with it.

No problem this year or next.... I'm celebrating the 24th and I'll
take my day off and vacation pay then. ;-)

--
Keith

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:06:02 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:

What I don't get is why they call his execution day "Good" anything!

Becasue it was only bad for Him.

Thus spake Chrissy Cruiser :

Only because Constantine arbitrarilly choose that date to compete with a
pre-existing Roman Holiday, Saturnus, or Saturnella.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:02 GMT, Karen Segboer wrote:

You got that right, James. But then, only someone with a scratch of
learnin' would know that. Everyone else just parade like lemmings
towards any religious "event."

Karen, agnostic
(That's right. I don't even have enough faith in my own beliefs to
label myself an atheist!)

I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house,
they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest
Christmas tree in the neighborhood.

???????

Christmas is a big holiday in Japan. I've heard that it's becoming
popular in China, too. Has nothing to do with Christ and everything
to do with conspicuous consumption.

--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

Thus spake Chrissy Cruiser :

Only because Constantine arbitrarilly choose that date to compete with a
pre-existing Roman Holiday, Saturnus, or Saturnella.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:02 GMT, Karen Segboer wrote:

You got that right, James. But then, only someone with a scratch of
learnin' would know that. Everyone else just parade like lemmings
towards any religious "event."

Karen, agnostic
(That's right. I don't even have enough faith in my own beliefs to
label myself an atheist!)

I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house,
they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest
Christmas tree in the neighborhood.

???????

Christmas is a big holiday in Japan. I've heard that it's becoming
popular in China, too. Has nothing to do with Christ and everything
to do with conspicuous consumption.

--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

Thus spake Paul Burke :

Phyllis wrote:
Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe
in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday
pay that goes with it.

We'll celebrate what the bloody hell we like, kid. It's been Xmas for
the last 50 years that I know of, Yule logs on sale in the baker's
(thta's an echo of the fire we burned the sacrificed virgin in the days
when we could find them) and I'd like to see you giving up New Year as a
purely Scottish holiday.

Fact 1- Bar Yussuf was NOT born on 25th December 0 AD. For several
reasons I can't be bothered going into here.

Fact 2- If the American Baptists had any honesty to their OWN religious
traditions, they would celebrate Christmas by going to work normally and
avoiding the food and jollity banned by the English Puritan Oliver
Cromwell. Christmas is Arminian (or Roman of course).

There are several Christian sects that, in fact, ignore Christmas but
celebrate Easter as a time of joy. I believe both the Mennonites and
the Amish believe this, as do some Pentacostals.


Paul Burke

--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS
wrote (in ) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:


So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting
target.


By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too.

A quick roundup of religion and theology
http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Ginohn.../hankisms.html

"Greco-Roman - Hank and his dysfunctional family are suffering from some trust
issues, and aren't giving out any money. It doesn't matter whose ass you kiss;
the others will kick the **** out of you. "

--
Dirk

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John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS
wrote (in ) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:


So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting
target.


By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too.

A quick roundup of religion and theology
http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Ginohn.../hankisms.html

"Greco-Roman - Hank and his dysfunctional family are suffering from some trust
issues, and aren't giving out any money. It doesn't matter whose ass you kiss;
the others will kick the **** out of you. "

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

"Dillon Pyron" wrote

There are several Christian sects that, in fact, ignore Christmas but
celebrate Easter as a time of joy. I believe both the Mennonites and
the Amish believe this, as do some Pentacostals.

I can't speak for the Pentacostals, but the Amish and Mennonites here in PA
have strong Christmas traditions and celebrations.

http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticl...hchristmas.htm

The Mennonites tend to be more like mainstream Christians in the way they
celebrate Christmas while the Amish celebrations are more in line with their
usual religious "meetings". The biggest difference is that most Amish sects
do not have churches... meeting to worship in each other's homes on a
rotating basis.

But both definitely celebrate Christmas.


--
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But a terrible misogynist. There is reason to believe that Christianity won
because of its popularity with women -- who were excluded from worshipping
Mithras.

Paul


"John Woodgate" wrote in message
...
I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS
wrote (in ) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting
target.

By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too.
--
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