I Never Thought I'd Say This, But...

In article ,
Janet Wilder wrote:


I shudder to think of what would happen if someone had a medical
emergency on a Carnival ship. Would they be trying to reap a profit from
that, too?

Yeah Princess and RCL (from personal experience) charge for a doc's
visit, why not? They also charge for medicines, X-rays, etc. Why not?

I think I'll just keep my trade with the companies who care about the
health of their guests. If there are cruise lines and hotels who provide
this service at no charge, why would I ever want to sail with a cruise
line who gouges people who have a medical problem.

True.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:15:34 -0500, Janet Wilder
wrote:

On 3/26/2011 6:25 PM, Ray Goldenberg wrote:
In raweb.com,
Janet wrote:

If you had 6th grade reading comprehension skills, you'd have read that
other lines provide it for free. Further, they are not trying to use a
medical situation as a profit source. Carnival is by charging $5 for an
item that costs them 50 cents.

That's the business Carnival is in. Why should this item be any
different?

Next thing you know they'll be charging extra for handicap-accessible
cabins and adding a surcharge for plugging in mobility scooters to
recharge their batteries. g Hey, a buck's a buck to Carnival.

I shudder to think of what would happen if someone had a medical
emergency on a Carnival ship. Would they be trying to reap a profit from
that, too?

I think I'll just keep my trade with the companies who care about the
health of their guests. If there are cruise lines and hotels who provide
this service at no charge, why would I ever want to sail with a cruise
line who gouges people who have a medical problem.

I don't care who sails with them. I won't.

Carnival's prices are significantly lower than other lines. I don't
see why you would expect them to furnish you with distilled water.
Thumper

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:09:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
wrote:

On 3/26/2011 6:24 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In raweb.com,
Janet wrote:


If you had 6th grade reading comprehension skills, you'd have read that
other lines provide it for free. Further, they are not trying to use a
medical situation as a profit source. Carnival is by charging $5 for an
item that costs them 50 cents. It's not like this is an option to those
people who need it to be able to breathe.

But are they charging you more for your use than to anyone else that
asks for the same thing for other reasons? If they are charging you $5
for "medical grade" water but someone else gets the same jug for $3,
then you might have a beef (over and above the why don't they when
others will). It isn't that they are using a medical situation as a
profit source (unless there is the higher price), it is just that the
tight *******s charge for things others give away.


I don't know anyone other the users of C-pap and Bi-pap machines who
would even want a jug of distilled water. It tastes terrible. Not at all
like filtered bottled water.

Find someone with sleep apnea who uses one of these machines. They stop
breathing 10 times or more every minute while they sleep. Their bodies
are starved for oxygen. They need this water for their machines to
operate properly.


That's BS. The machines work perfectly fine with regular water. I've
been using one for years and when I run out of distilled I fill it
from the tap. The companies recommend distilled water but it is only
a plastic reservoir with a heater underneath.
Thumper
It is the insensitivity to the issue that really bugs me. If they have
to charge, they should charge what it costs them. They are gouging
people with a medical need.

I don't see how anyone can defend this practice, but I guess some folks
are so loyal to a brand that they are blinded to the truth.

On 3/27/2011 12:21 PM, Thumper wrote:
That's BS. The machines work perfectly fine with regular water. I've
been using one for years and when I run out of distilled I fill it
from the tap. The companies recommend distilled water but it is only
a plastic reservoir with a heater underneath.
Thumper

Why don't you use tap water all the time?

Marsha

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:09:47 -0400, Goomba
wrote:

Janet Wilder wrote:

I don't see how anyone can defend this practice, but I guess some folks
are so loyal to a brand that they are blinded to the truth.

I've never been on a Carnival cruise. How loyal do you think I am being?

What I get a kick out of is being angry because the low cost cruise
line doesn't provide all the bells and whistles for free. If one
thinks they need distilled water for medical reasons, then just pay
the 5 dollars. The OP is just nitpicking to justify not sailing on
Carnival when no one is asking for justification. We really don't
care.

Thumper

On 3/27/2011 11:21 AM, Thumper wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:09:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
wrote:

On 3/26/2011 6:24 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In raweb.com,
Janet wrote:


If you had 6th grade reading comprehension skills, you'd have read that
other lines provide it for free. Further, they are not trying to use a
medical situation as a profit source. Carnival is by charging $5 for an
item that costs them 50 cents. It's not like this is an option to those
people who need it to be able to breathe.

But are they charging you more for your use than to anyone else that
asks for the same thing for other reasons? If they are charging you $5
for "medical grade" water but someone else gets the same jug for $3,
then you might have a beef (over and above the why don't they when
others will). It isn't that they are using a medical situation as a
profit source (unless there is the higher price), it is just that the
tight *******s charge for things others give away.


I don't know anyone other the users of C-pap and Bi-pap machines who
would even want a jug of distilled water. It tastes terrible. Not at all
like filtered bottled water.

Find someone with sleep apnea who uses one of these machines. They stop
breathing 10 times or more every minute while they sleep. Their bodies
are starved for oxygen. They need this water for their machines to
operate properly.


That's BS. The machines work perfectly fine with regular water. I've
been using one for years and when I run out of distilled I fill it
from the tap. The companies recommend distilled water but it is only
a plastic reservoir with a heater underneath.


We contacted the company that makes the one my DH uses. It is a Bi-pap
machine. They said that under no circumstances should he use anything
but distilled water.

I would much rather listen to the manufacturer than a nasty poster on
Usenet.

ymmv



--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 3/27/2011 11:18 AM, Thumper wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:15:34 -0500, Janet Wilder
wrote:

On 3/26/2011 6:25 PM, Ray Goldenberg wrote:
In raweb.com,
Janet wrote:

If you had 6th grade reading comprehension skills, you'd have read that
other lines provide it for free. Further, they are not trying to use a
medical situation as a profit source. Carnival is by charging $5 for an
item that costs them 50 cents.

That's the business Carnival is in. Why should this item be any
different?

Next thing you know they'll be charging extra for handicap-accessible
cabins and adding a surcharge for plugging in mobility scooters to
recharge their batteries.g Hey, a buck's a buck to Carnival.

I shudder to think of what would happen if someone had a medical
emergency on a Carnival ship. Would they be trying to reap a profit from
that, too?

I think I'll just keep my trade with the companies who care about the
health of their guests. If there are cruise lines and hotels who provide
this service at no charge, why would I ever want to sail with a cruise
line who gouges people who have a medical problem.

I don't care who sails with them. I won't.

Carnival's prices are significantly lower than other lines. I don't
see why you would expect them to furnish you with distilled water.

That is definitely not an excuse. You are really reaching for a
justification. I've had a jug of distilled water supplied by a Holiday
Inn as an accommodation.



--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 3/27/2011 11:30 AM, Thumper wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:09:47 -0400,
wrote:

Janet Wilder wrote:

I don't see how anyone can defend this practice, but I guess some folks
are so loyal to a brand that they are blinded to the truth.

I've never been on a Carnival cruise. How loyal do you think I am being?

What I get a kick out of is being angry because the low cost cruise
line doesn't provide all the bells and whistles for free. If one
thinks they need distilled water for medical reasons, then just pay
the 5 dollars. The OP is just nitpicking to justify not sailing on
Carnival when no one is asking for justification. We really don't
care.

I sail with Royal. They are in the same price category as Carnival.
Royal provides the water for free.

You seem to have missed the part where it costs Carnival about 50 cents
for a jug of this water and they are charging $5. What I am objecting to
is the fact that Carnival is using people's medical needs to turn a
profit. I can't see any caring person not finding this practice a little
disgusting, but your humanity seems to be as inadequate as your reading
skills.


--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:37:58 -0500, Janet Wilder
wrote:

On 3/27/2011 11:18 AM, Thumper wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:15:34 -0500, Janet Wilder
wrote:

On 3/26/2011 6:25 PM, Ray Goldenberg wrote:
In raweb.com,
Janet wrote:

If you had 6th grade reading comprehension skills, you'd have read that
other lines provide it for free. Further, they are not trying to use a
medical situation as a profit source. Carnival is by charging $5 for an
item that costs them 50 cents.

That's the business Carnival is in. Why should this item be any
different?

Next thing you know they'll be charging extra for handicap-accessible
cabins and adding a surcharge for plugging in mobility scooters to
recharge their batteries.g Hey, a buck's a buck to Carnival.

I shudder to think of what would happen if someone had a medical
emergency on a Carnival ship. Would they be trying to reap a profit from
that, too?

I think I'll just keep my trade with the companies who care about the
health of their guests. If there are cruise lines and hotels who provide
this service at no charge, why would I ever want to sail with a cruise
line who gouges people who have a medical problem.

I don't care who sails with them. I won't.

Carnival's prices are significantly lower than other lines. I don't
see why you would expect them to furnish you with distilled water.

That is definitely not an excuse. You are really reaching for a
justification. I've had a jug of distilled water supplied by a Holiday
Inn as an accommodation.


Lets look at it this way Janet, you pay more to cruise on the cruise line of
your choice, so of course they don't mind giving you a gallon of distilled
water free.
Now Carnival is a lower priced cruise line, if you wanted to pay them what you
pay RC then I doubt very much you'd pay for your water.
I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing and nothing more.


Definition of Arguing: Give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea,
action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's
view.

Yes it certainly sounds like you.

They need this water for their machines to
operate properly.


That's BS. The machines work perfectly fine with regular water. I've
been using one for years and when I run out of distilled I fill it
from the tap. The companies recommend distilled water but it is only
a plastic reservoir with a heater underneath.
Thumper

Yes they do work fine with regular water but it GREATLY shortens the
life of the humidifier. The extra chemicals in tap water form a crust on
the metal contacts of the humidifier and corrode them much more quickly.
I know, I've tried it.