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body scanners in European airports
On 2011-08-09 09:40:35 -0500, Ken Blake said:
On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 20:06:49 -0500, Dan Stephenson wrote: On 2011-08-08 19:23:58 -0500, Ken Blake said: I can't speak about all of Europe, but I flew out of Athens a couple of months ago. I didn't go through a body scanner. I should phone back. Perhaps they thought I mean the metal detector. Did you see body scanners there, and if so, could you tell how they selected people to use them? I don't remember seeing any body scanners, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. Thanks, I definitely want to call back. I am totally in love with ancient history and love visiting the ancient ruiins. What a connect with history! -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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body scanners in European airports
On 2011-08-10 11:22:09 -0500, george said:
On Aug 8, 11:56*pm, Dan Stephenson wrote: My plans were to visit Europe again in October, but it has come to my attention that the use of those body scanners has become common since the attempted bombing of that flight to Detroit last Christmas 2009. * My last flight was prior to that. So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. This sounds incredible but it is plausible. *Can anyone confirm this at your local big airport? *My googling only turned up EU regular that "permitted" the scanners and a lot of talk of health issues. *But that is all. -- Dan Stephensonhttp://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) I've never seen any such scanners at Stuttgart Airport. I was scanned 3-4 years ago at Amsterdam on a flight from there to Stuttgart, and it was mandatory (or at least that was what the security personnel said). George Thanks George, I'll scratch Amsterdam off my list. Unfortunately there are no flight to the USA that reach Stuttgart. Just Frankfurt. I wonder if Frankfurt airport has them. With that nutter shooting up the place some time back, I would fear that would be the case. -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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body scanners in European airports
On 2011-08-09 04:14:41 -0500, Frank Hucklenbroich said:
Am Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:56:10 -0500 schrieb Dan Stephenson: My plans were to visit Europe again in October, but it has come to my attention that the use of those body scanners has become common since the attempted bombing of that flight to Detroit last Christmas 2009. My last flight was prior to that. So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. This sounds incredible but it is plausible. Can anyone confirm this at your local big airport? As for my local airport (Cologne), I haven't seen any of those scanners yet, and my last flight from there was in April this year. I did read reports recently, that these scanners don't work very good anywya (e.g., they dont fing the things they should), so authorities will probably not use them. Thanks, Frank. I spoke with the security person at my local airport (Dallas/Fort Worth with directs to London/Heathrow, Frankfurt, Paris, Zurich I think), and he said it's not everywhere, there is a pat-down option, and the software will be changed at some point so the analysis is entirely computer-driven and there is no human in the loop, and all the output is, is a stick figure with a circle or something indicating something to be checked out. That is a good step. Regards, Frank -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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On 2011-08-09 02:17:40 -0500, Tom P said:
On 08/08/2011 11:56 PM, Dan Stephenson wrote: My plans were to visit Europe again in October, but it has come to my attention that the use of those body scanners has become common since the attempted bombing of that flight to Detroit last Christmas 2009. My last flight was prior to that. So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. This sounds incredible but it is plausible. Can anyone confirm this at your local big airport? My googling only turned up EU regular that "permitted" the scanners and a lot of talk of health issues. But that is all. There was something in the news here the other day about the scanners on trial at Hamburg airport proving to be useless - much too slow, and with a 35% to 70% false alarm rate, depending on which press story you believe - ah, just found some references: http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2225742.shtml?cat=566 or google bodyscanner+false+alarms It appears that the German authorities have decided to discontinue their use, at least of the make of scanner they tested, so hopefully the taxpayers will get their money back for these expensive piles of useless junk. Now this would be good news, in that there is a direct flight from Dallas/Fort Worth near where I live, to Frankfurt. If I can confirm the situation in Athens, I might make a DFW-Frankfurt-Athens travel. Hmm! Maybe I gave up hope too soon! -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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On 2011-08-09 02:14:28 -0500, Johannes Kleese said:
Dan Stephenson wrote: So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. A field test with voluntary checks of some 793000 passengers using "naked scanners" in Hamburg, Germany, has just ended. The result, though not officially reported yet, seems to be simply that the devices are still expensive crap, at least those by L3. The first software version showed the persons sort of naked, which is not acceptable and was other than promised by L3. Next software version showed only a symbol, but the alarms were anything but helpful. Too much wardrobe, even long boots: Alarm. Passenger slightly moving: Alarm. Two out of three scanned passengers had to be checked by hand, half of those more than once (and nothing found, of course). L3 was not able to deliver better software. So, for the time being, no body scanners in Germany. MAGNIFICENT! -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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body scanners in European airports
On 2011-08-09 00:53:04 -0500, Graham Harrison said:
"Dan Stephenson" wrote in message news:2011080816561034299-stephedanospam@maccom... My plans were to visit Europe again in October, but it has come to my attention that the use of those body scanners has become common since the attempted bombing of that flight to Detroit last Christmas 2009. My last flight was prior to that. So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. This sounds incredible but it is plausible. Can anyone confirm this at your local big airport? My googling only turned up EU regular that "permitted" the scanners and a lot of talk of health issues. But that is all. -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-flights.html But bear in mind that the Daily Mail loves to make a drama and a crisis out of everything. I heard about that, no pat-down option at Heathrow. This is especially unfortunate as I love visiting Britain the most. I was going to stay in London and spend lots of tourist dollars, for a week prior to going to Greece to see ancient ruins. Not anymore. The airport security people already question passengers with their little trick questions, why don't they just get more clever about that? -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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On Aug 11, 2:53*am, Dan Stephenson wrote:
On 2011-08-10 11:22:09 -0500, george said: On Aug 8, 11:56*pm, Dan Stephenson wrote: My plans were to visit Europe again in October, but it has come to my attention that the use of those body scanners has become common since the attempted bombing of that flight to Detroit last Christmas 2009. * My last flight was prior to that. So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. This sounds incredible but it is plausible. *Can anyone confirm this at your local big airport? *My googling only turned up EU regular that "permitted" the scanners and a lot of talk of health issues. *But that is all. -- Dan Stephensonhttp://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) I've never seen any such scanners at Stuttgart Airport. *I was scanned 3-4 years ago at Amsterdam on a flight from there to Stuttgart, and it was mandatory (or at least that was what the security personnel said). George Thanks George, I'll scratch Amsterdam off my list. *Unfortunately there are no flight to the USA that reach Stuttgart. *Just Frankfurt. *I wonder if Frankfurt airport has them. *With that nutter shooting up the place some time back, I would fear that would be the case. -- Dan Stephensonhttp://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There certainly are direct flights from the US to Stuttgart, Delta from Atlanta and Continental (United) from Newark. I don't know whether Amsterdam now uses scanners on a regular basis. That was a while ago and the flight from Amsterdam to the US then didn't have scanners. I think that they were using them on a trial basis for flights within Europe. George |
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body scanners in European airports
Dan Stephenson wrote:
My plans were to visit Europe again in October, but it has come to my attention that the use of those body scanners has become common since the attempted bombing of that flight to Detroit last Christmas 2009. My last flight was prior to that. So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. This sounds incredible but it is plausible. Can anyone confirm this at your local big airport? My googling only turned up EU regular that "permitted" the scanners and a lot of talk of health issues. But that is all. This story confirms what I'd thought- I'd rather go through the body scanner, particularly in a US airport. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ck/9563174.stm -- (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "[Do you think the world learned anything from the first world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009) |
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body scanners in European airports
Martin wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:39:25 +0200, "M@gd@" wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:02:39 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: [] ... This story confirms what I'd thought- I'd rather go through the body ... scanner, particularly in a US airport. ... ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ck/9563174.stm I'd rather stay home. ===== It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. Security gropes much better in France. -- (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "[Do you think the world learned anything from the first world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009) |
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