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Hatunen wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:38:52 -0500, Barbara Lightner wrote: Is this still good advice? I also wonder, do Eurpeans in general still dress well today, or do they dress like so many of us slobs here in the USA, especially the men? Europeans appear to me to be largely indistinguishable from Americans, especially the young. But even middle aged people wear blue jeans. Different jeans though. The centre of Amsterdam is always filled with both Americans and locals. You can always tell them apart. Yorick. |
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pmckin5750 wrote:
Many Canadians admire Clinton, despite his foibles. Are Europeans less impressed? I'd say in general, Europeans loved Clinton and hate Bush. (In general!!!) Probably because Clinton knows Europe exists, whereas Bush doesn't. Yorick. |
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Barbara Lightner wrote:
"Dress impressively like the French, Dress as you like, maybe a bit less tennis-shoe than you're used to. speak with authority like the Germans, Don't. Speak like an American, just a little softer have blond hair like the Scandinavians Nah. and speak of no American presidents except Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy. " Good idea. Don't talk about politics to strangers. My advice would be (and I'm surprised that no one ever mentions that): Try to learn some table manners! I noticed that Americans tend to eat with a fork only, and use their knife just for cutting. That is considered to be very rude over here. Both in a restaurant and when you're invited to a private dinner party. Americans use their fork to push the food around their plates, mix it and eat. The other hand is used to lean on the table. I see my friends doing it (also in restaurants), but I also notice people doing it on american tv shows and in movies. So my advice would be to learn to eat with a knife and fork before coming to Europe Yorick. |
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Barbara Lightner wrote:
"Dress impressively like the French, Dress as you like, maybe a bit less tennis-shoe than you're used to. speak with authority like the Germans, Don't. Speak like an American, just a little softer have blond hair like the Scandinavians Nah. and speak of no American presidents except Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy. " Good idea. Don't talk about politics to strangers. My advice would be (and I'm surprised that no one ever mentions that): Try to learn some table manners! I noticed that Americans tend to eat with a fork only, and use their knife just for cutting. That is considered to be very rude over here. Both in a restaurant and when you're invited to a private dinner party. Americans use their fork to push the food around their plates, mix it and eat. The other hand is used to lean on the table. I see my friends doing it (also in restaurants), but I also notice people doing it on american tv shows and in movies. So my advice would be to learn to eat with a knife and fork before coming to Europe Yorick. |
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Barbara Lightner wrote:
Is this still good advice? I also wonder, do Eurpeans in general still dress well today, or do they dress like so many of us slobs here in the USA, especially the men? "Dress impressively like the French, speak with authority like the Germans, have blond hair like the Scandinavians and speak of no American presidents except Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy. " -- Sylvaine Rouy Neves, On how to Gain Respect While Traveling in Europe, NY Times, Sep 30, 1984 Barbara Lightner Depends on where you are, I guess. In the French town I live in, people dress, ahhh, idiosyncratically I guess would be a way to describe it. Some time ago I was about to walk across the town carrying a large orange bucket and the throught crossed my mind that I might look strange. Then I laughed at myself - I can't think of anything I could do or wear that would count as strange here. Lots of us consider the used clothes stand at the Sunday market to be *the* place for buying new clothes. Seriously. I see all sorts of combinations - jogging pants with button-down shirts, huge shoes, flip flops, rags... |
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"Barbara Lightner" wrote in message
... Is this still good advice? "Dress impressively like the French, speak with authority like the Germans, have blond hair like the Scandinavians and speak of no American presidents except Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy. " -- Sylvaine Rouy Neves, On how to Gain Respect While Traveling in Europe, NY Times, Sep 30, 1984 Well, since Roosevelt sold out Europe I would not focus too much on him. Only luck prevented Kennedy from making a big black hole of Europe and Lincoln ended op dead. You can hardly win, can you? Jan |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:38:52 -0500, Barbara Lightner wrote:
Is this still good advice? I got some nicer clothes that were light, easy to wash, and cool for our trip to Europe. Not dressy, but certainly not dressed-down. Now I wear them on every trip, just because I get better service than someone walking in with a t-shirt and jeans. Just don't go overboard with it! Oh, and I second the advice about not talking politics. You're a stranger in a strange land; surely there HAS to be something of more immediate interest than politics! -- -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least) |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:38:52 -0500, Barbara Lightner wrote:
Is this still good advice? I got some nicer clothes that were light, easy to wash, and cool for our trip to Europe. Not dressy, but certainly not dressed-down. Now I wear them on every trip, just because I get better service than someone walking in with a t-shirt and jeans. Just don't go overboard with it! Oh, and I second the advice about not talking politics. You're a stranger in a strange land; surely there HAS to be something of more immediate interest than politics! -- -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least) |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:49:16 +0100, nitram wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:19:28 GMT, "nospam" wrote: I also wonder, do Eurpeans in general still dress well today, or do they dress like so many of us slobs here in the USA, especially the men? The further west you go, the sloppier the dress, for both men and women. Exceptions abound, with Paris being quite stylish. Amsterdam looks like any American city, clothes-wise. Belgium is the exception, it's the land of the suit. ??? |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:49:16 +0100, nitram wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:19:28 GMT, "nospam" wrote: I also wonder, do Eurpeans in general still dress well today, or do they dress like so many of us slobs here in the USA, especially the men? The further west you go, the sloppier the dress, for both men and women. Exceptions abound, with Paris being quite stylish. Amsterdam looks like any American city, clothes-wise. Belgium is the exception, it's the land of the suit. ??? |
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