Cisco going out of business!

Bill Reid wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
As for the hardware routers I think you're talking about, I'm pretty sure
Cisco makes most of its money in markets where $69 Linksys boxes are not
in the running.

Cisco bought out Linksys a couple years ago or so.

Yeah, yeah, who can keep track anymore? (rhetorical question answered
above).

miguel
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
As for the hardware routers I think you're talking about, I'm pretty sure
Cisco makes most of its money in markets where $69 Linksys boxes are not in
the running.

Besides, Cisco routers run their own software, and Cisco has its own operating
system. So the philosophical difference between a real Cisco router and a
home-built linux-based router isn't that great. Where the difference is very
big is in the feature set ,quality and support, as well as performance.

You're little Linux based router on a wintel PC may work well, but none of the
hardware was optimized to transfer/route backbone bandwidth. They just need to
route packets of one little home lan over to some DSL/cable line (low speed by
internet standards). Real routers must route multiple gigabit ethernet streams
of packets onto each other.

devil wrote:
Linksys *is* Sisco.

And BTW, their boxes aren't bad. At least they run linux, not some crappy
stuff from Billy the kid.


Linksys is not "Cisco". They are owned by Cisco. But the products are TOTALLY
different. Linksys is low end, low quality, low cost. Cisco is the opposite on
all 3 counts.

Note, it doesn't mean Linksys doesn't work. They wouldn't have gotten so
popular if their gear didn't work. But they are aimed at a wintel market.
Cisco is aimed at the telecom and enterprise markets.

Bill Reid wrote:
Got a PC with a network card? Add routing software, voila,
you got yourself a router.

Can it legally be considered a "router" if it has only one network card ? (I
guess routing between subnets on a LAN ?).

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:32:59 -0500, nobody wrote:

devil wrote:
Linksys *is* Sisco.

And BTW, their boxes aren't bad. At least they run linux, not some crappy
stuff from Billy the kid.


Linksys is not "Cisco".

I think my box says Cisco. "Linksys, a division of Cysco," or something
like it.


They are owned by Cisco. But the products are TOTALLY
different. Linksys is low end, low quality, low cost. Cisco is the opposite on
all 3 counts.

Note, it doesn't mean Linksys doesn't work. They wouldn't have gotten so
popular if their gear didn't work. But they are aimed at a wintel market.
Cisco is aimed at the telecom and enterprise markets.

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Charles Newman wrote:
There are other reasons. Software firewalls, such as those from
McAfee, Norton, ZoneAlarm, Kerio, etc., etc., are making
hardware routers obsolete. Software based routers can do a lot
of things that hardware routers cannot do.

I love people who can pack a lot of bad information into short snappy
sentences. That's why I luvs this group.

Hardware routers do a lot of things that antivirus and personal firewall
software (!!) cannot do. Like, for instance, route packets.

A "hardware router" actually consists of a NIC, processor/memory,
a crossbar, and a helluvalotov software that really does the actual
"routing".

Got a PC with a network card? Add routing software, voila,
you got yourself a router.

This is true. Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) made hardware
routers obsolete when it premiered with Windows 98SE back in 1999.
With ICS, there is no need to buy a hardware router, ICS, plus some
firewall software, and $50 Linksys network switch, is all I needed to set
up a LAN at home. That setup makes hardware firewalls/routers
obsolete.

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:15:26 -0800, "Charles Newman" This is true. Microsoft
Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) made hardware
routers obsolete when it premiered with Windows 98SE back in 1999.
With ICS, there is no need to buy a hardware router, ICS, plus some
firewall software, and $50 Linksys network switch, is all I needed to set
up a LAN at home. That setup makes hardware firewalls/routers
obsolete.

Same way Casino® made Las Vegas obsolete and mobile homes are driving the housing
industry out of business.
--
Mike

Charles Newman wrote:

This is true. Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) made hardware
routers obsolete when it premiered with Windows 98SE back in 1999.
With ICS, there is no need to buy a hardware router, ICS, plus some
firewall software, and $50 Linksys network switch, is all I needed to set
up a LAN at home. That setup makes hardware firewalls/routers
obsolete.


This was possible well before 1999. All you needed for connecting two
segments together was a box with dual interfaces and ip forwarding
enabled. I was doing it in 1988 with IBM RT. Of course, back then
Nomen/Starwars/Edo never posted about "IBM going out of business"

Charles Newman wrote:
This is true. Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) made hardware
routers obsolete when it premiered with Windows 98SE back in 1999.

If you need a firewall to protect an easily infectable platform (Windows),
then you would be absolutely stupid to run the firewall on that easily
infectable platform. It is like asking the wolfe to protect the henhouse.


And routers don't only do firewalling, nor NAT nor PAT. There are a lot more
functions to a router than when home users use them for.

The Michael wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:15:26 -0800, "Charles Newman" This is true. Microsoft
Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) made hardware

routers obsolete when it premiered with Windows 98SE back in 1999.
With ICS, there is no need to buy a hardware router, ICS, plus some
firewall software, and $50 Linksys network switch, is all I needed to set
up a LAN at home. That setup makes hardware firewalls/routers
obsolete.


Same way Casino® made Las Vegas obsolete and mobile homes are driving the housing
industry out of business.

No kidding. If they were obsolete in 1999, why are billions of dollars
worth getting sold every year. BTW, What PC based product can I use as
a ADSL router to replace an 827, since I just found out from a poster
that it was obsolete. What about Cable? Is there a product I can run
on WinXP on my home PC to replace a cable router?