Cisco going out of business!

"nobody" wrote in message
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Bill Reid wrote:
Got a PC with a network card? Add routing software, voila,
you got yourself a router.

Can it legally be considered a "router" if it has only one network card ?
(I
guess routing between subnets on a LAN ?).

You do need to add a second network card to your computer, if your
internet connection is a broadband connection.

"mtravelkay" wrote in message
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The Michael wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:15:26 -0800, "Charles Newman" This is true.
Microsoft
Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) made hardware

routers obsolete when it premiered with Windows 98SE back in 1999.
With ICS, there is no need to buy a hardware router, ICS, plus some
firewall software, and $50 Linksys network switch, is all I needed to
set
up a LAN at home. That setup makes hardware firewalls/routers
obsolete.


Same way Casino® made Las Vegas obsolete and mobile homes are driving
the housing
industry out of business.

No kidding. If they were obsolete in 1999, why are billions of dollars
worth getting sold every year. BTW, What PC based product can I use as
a ADSL router to replace an 827, since I just found out from a poster
that it was obsolete. What about Cable? Is there a product I can run
on WinXP on my home PC to replace a cable router?

Yes there is, nut you will need the Pro version, NOT the "Home"
version for this. Win XP Pro has Internet Connection Sharing, and
there is a network setup wizard to set it up. You will, of course, need
to add a second NIC card to your computer, and you will have to buy
a network hub, but once that is all done, you can hook everything up,
run the wizard, and you are in business.
Also, if you need content filtering, an ICS box can run
CyberSitter, SurfWatch, CyberPatrol, or any other filtering
software, and all the computers behind it are filtering. Content
filtering is not possible with a hardware router.

"nobody" wrote in message
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Charles Newman wrote:
This is true. Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) made
hardware
routers obsolete when it premiered with Windows 98SE back in 1999.

If you need a firewall to protect an easily infectable platform (Windows),
then you would be absolutely stupid to run the firewall on that easily
infectable platform. It is like asking the wolfe to protect the henhouse.

Tiny Personal Firwall is a very good software firewall. It can fiprotect
any
network running behind the ICS box quite well.



And routers don't only do firewalling, nor NAT nor PAT. There are a lot
more
functions to a router than when home users use them for.

Charles Newman wrote:

Yes there is, nut you will need the Pro version, NOT the "Home"
version for this. Win XP Pro has Internet Connection Sharing, and
there is a network setup wizard to set it up. You will, of course, need
to add a second NIC card to your computer, and you will have to buy
a network hub, but once that is all done, you can hook everything up,
run the wizard, and you are in business.

Are you saying that with XP Pro, I can run a DSL connection from the
phone jack right to a card on the PC and I could use this instead of an
adsl router?

"mtravelkay" wrote in message
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Charles Newman wrote:

Yes there is, nut you will need the Pro version, NOT the "Home"
version for this. Win XP Pro has Internet Connection Sharing, and
there is a network setup wizard to set it up. You will, of course, need
to add a second NIC card to your computer, and you will have to buy
a network hub, but once that is all done, you can hook everything up,
run the wizard, and you are in business.

Are you saying that with XP Pro, I can run a DSL connection from the
phone jack right to a card on the PC and I could use this instead of an
adsl router?


Yes you can. You can run right from the Modem to your NIC card,
and then put in a second NIC card to feed your LAN. Internet Connection
Shating (ICS) makes hardware routers obsolete.

Charles Newman wrote:
"mtravelkay" wrote in message
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Charles Newman wrote:

Yes there is, nut you will need the Pro version, NOT the "Home"
version for this. Win XP Pro has Internet Connection Sharing, and
there is a network setup wizard to set it up. You will, of course, need
to add a second NIC card to your computer, and you will have to buy
a network hub, but once that is all done, you can hook everything up,
run the wizard, and you are in business.

Are you saying that with XP Pro, I can run a DSL connection from the
phone jack right to a card on the PC and I could use this instead of an
adsl router?



Yes you can. You can run right from the Modem to your NIC card,
and then put in a second NIC card to feed your LAN. Internet Connection
Shating (ICS) makes hardware routers obsolete.


I said "from the phone jack to a card on the PC"
A Cisco 827 is a ADSL Modem/Router. The earlier comment was that you
could do it all with the PC. In that vain, how do you get a PC to
replace a UBR (Cable router at the headend)?

"mtravelkay" wrote in message
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Charles Newman wrote:
"mtravelkay" wrote in message
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Charles Newman wrote:

Yes there is, nut you will need the Pro version, NOT the "Home"
version for this. Win XP Pro has Internet Connection Sharing, and
there is a network setup wizard to set it up. You will, of course, need
to add a second NIC card to your computer, and you will have to buy
a network hub, but once that is all done, you can hook everything up,
run the wizard, and you are in business.

Are you saying that with XP Pro, I can run a DSL connection from the
phone jack right to a card on the PC and I could use this instead of an
adsl router?



Yes you can. You can run right from the Modem to your NIC card,
and then put in a second NIC card to feed your LAN. Internet Connection
Shating (ICS) makes hardware routers obsolete.


I said "from the phone jack to a card on the PC"

That cannot be done. You HAVE to have a DSL modem, to connect
to DSL service. There are NO cards that will let you plug DSL into
a card on your PC. Whether you use a router, or use ICS, you CANNOT
get DSL, without a DSL modem.

"devil" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:44:54 +0000, Miguel Cruz wrote:


As for the hardware routers I think you're talking about, I'm pretty
sure
Cisco makes most of its money in markets where $69 Linksys boxes are not
in
the running.

Linksys *is* Sisco.

And BTW, their boxes aren't bad. At least they run linux, not some crappy
stuff from Billy the kid.

However, virtually all the software in the world is written for
Windows.
If you want to have the latest software, you need Windows. Every office PC
in the world runs Windows, because that is what the all the hottest business
software runs under. Servers may run Linux, or something else, but all the
client machines will br running Windows.

Charles Newman wrote:
"devil" wrote:
And BTW, their boxes aren't bad. At least they run linux, not some crappy
stuff from Billy the kid.

However, virtually all the software in the world is written for Windows.
If you want to have the latest software, you need Windows. Every office PC
in the world runs Windows, because that is what the all the hottest
business software runs under.

What is "the hottest business software"? I haven't had to touch a Windows
machine in quite a while now.

miguel
--
Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/

Charles Newman wrote:
"nobody" wrote:
Can it legally be considered a "router" if it has only one network card ?
(I guess routing between subnets on a LAN ?).

You do need to add a second network card to your computer, if your
internet connection is a broadband connection.

Or use one card and multihome. Results will vary depending on your broadband
access device (and collisions could slow you down some) but it'll most
likely work.

miguel
--
Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/