Denmark-clocks go back?

Miguel Cruz wrote in message
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Markku Grönroos wrote:
Can anyone tell what's positive about the "daylight savings" time
itself.
Why should we adjust our clocks twice a year?

At last we are in agreement! It's one of the stupider anachronisms around.

You should try wrestling with it in Australia. We have the northern states
wanting less daylight, and the southern states wanting more. And of course
most people live in the middle. They change it frequently too.

There are positive economic spinoffs though. Curtains fade a lot faster with
daylight savings, and thus people need to buy more.
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DFM

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:59:54 -0600, Hatunen wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:38:11 +1000, "Deep Freud Moors"
wrote:

There are positive economic spinoffs though. Curtains fade a lot faster with
daylight savings, and thus people need to buy more.

Now, now. No trolling.

Oh, I don't know. As someone who grew up in North Queensland (and this
is really a NQ joke), it gave me a great laugh on what would otherwise
be a dreary Saturday in the office :-)

OT, obQlder: Just don't get me started on the *real* reason Jo B-P
wouldn't have daylight savings...

FWIW, I love daylight savings. To get this back on topic, in the parts
of Europe where the sun is coming up at 4 am with daylight savings
anyway, it's a great way to maximise the summer daylight. Why have the
sun rise at 3 am when very few people are up to watch it when you can
still be enjoying the light and doing things at 11 pm?

Geodyne

Thomas Peel wrote:

Krist schrieb:

Tim Challenger wrote:

That's what I wanted to say. At 3am you turn the clocks back so they read
2am.

And not only in Denmark, all over Europe.

Something positive about standardisation. Remember what is was like
before...

Especially if the entire world changes on the same date. (Except the
state of Arizona, of course - they never go on Daylight Savings time.)

Miguel Cruz wrote:

Sjoerd wrote:
"Markku Grönroos" schreef:
Can anyone tell what's positive about the "daylight savings" time itself.

Whether you like it or not, most people in Europe work between something
like 8:30 AM and 5:30 PM. Because of daylight savings time, during an
additional couple of months per year these people can go to work and go
home after work during daylight hours. Saves energy.

So why not keep it on summer time all year round?

At least in Northern climes, it would mean that children were going to
school in the dark on winter mornings!


miguel
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Miguel Cruz wrote:

Markku Grönroos wrote:
Can anyone tell what's positive about the "daylight savings" time
itself.
Why should we adjust our clocks twice a year?

At last we are in agreement! It's one of the stupider anachronisms
around.

People in the UK seem to do fine with the arrangement. The advantage is
that it gives more daylight hours for children going to school in the
morning in winter, and longer daylight hours in the summer. If London
got dark at 8pm in the summer, that would seem really strange. In a
newsgroup where people travel multiple time zones constantly, I'm not
sure why daylight savings is a bother. It's perfectly practical.

I have not found the logic up to this date. In summer daylight lasts long
anyways on high latitudes. For instance in the Finnish Lappland sun never
sets behind horizon in summer making it daylight all the time. In Winter sun
always remains under horizon (making school children to do that 300 km leg
to school in dark anyways). There must be something in this DST, I know. A
few years back some (supposedly DST bulb heads) suggested that Finland
should be adjusted to use the Central European time to synchronize the
working day with the biggest business region for Finland. They didn't take
into account that there are lots of people around who do business with
Californians....

Sjoerd wrote:
"Miguel Cruz" schreef:
I propose we just give everyone those long-life energy-saver bulbs
instead and be done with it. It's too depressing when it gets dark at
4pm. Wastes a tremendous amount of energy because people like me all need
to fly south to where there's daylight in the afternoon.

Get up at 7AM.

No thanks!

Or use it as the perfect excuse to travel in (Northern hemisphere) winter.
And why are you coming to Amsterdam in November? It is not exactly
"south'' from where you are. :-)

Yeah, but it's a holiday here in the US so it's easy to get a little time
off and visit the family.

miguel
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) "evgmsop-no wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
So why not keep it on summer time all year round?

At least in Northern climes, it would mean that children were going to
school in the dark on winter mornings!

They are anyway.

miguel
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David Horne writes:

The advantage is that it gives more daylight hours for
children going to school in the morning in winter, and
longer daylight hours in the summer.

Hard as it may be to believe, the number of daylight hours does not
depend on how you set your clock.

If London got dark at 8pm in the summer, that would
seem really strange.

Why?

In a newsgroup where people travel multiple time zones
constantly, I'm not sure why daylight savings is a bother.

Because it is a useless complication of standard time systems.

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Sjoerd writes:

Whether you like it or not, most people in Europe work between something
like 8:30 AM and 5:30 PM. Because of daylight savings time, during an
additional couple of months per year these people can go to work and go home
after work during daylight hours. Saves energy.

The total amount of energy used is going to be the same in any case, if
the active hours are centered on solar noon. Solar noon hardly changes
at all during the year, so if the middle of the active day is set to
solar noon, there is no need for daylight saving time.

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Sjoerd writes:

Because there is a moment in time (different according to latitude of the
exact location, but end of October works well for a place like Amsterdam),
that it is more economical to go back to winter time and have more daylight
in the morning when people go to work, because at 5:30 PM it will be dark
anyway. (using summer time or winter time)

What do people need more daylight time in the morning for?

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