Just when you thought it was safe to get back on a China Airlines flight...

In article , AJC
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3536448


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It's amazing that FAA and other bodies don't have a zero alcohol rule
on commercial pilots!

First time I'm aware of that. Just amazing.

In article , AJC
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:53:39 GMT, Whytoi wrote:

In article , AJC
wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3536448

It's amazing that FAA and other bodies don't have a zero alcohol rule
on commercial pilots!

First time I'm aware of that. Just amazing.

Yes, that surprised me too.

Well, you know what they say... You are only smoking too much if you
smoke more than your doctor. In this case, you are not drunk unless you
drank more than your Captain!

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In article , AJC
wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3536448


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It's amazing that FAA and other bodies don't have a zero alcohol rule
on commercial pilots!

First time I'm aware of that. Just amazing.

We'd all fail. It's pretty hard to have a "zero" test. Too many
foods and other substances have trace amounts of alcohol in them.
Some fruits convert to alcohol pretty quickly. My father used to
leave the apple cider on the porch in the winter to get "tart".
0.04 is low, really low, really REALLY low. Not saying this
guy hadn't just had a swig, but if you are trying to set up a testing
standard, you want to avoid "false positives" as much as you
want to avoid false negatives. You have to set the level high
enough so that you only "catch" folks who are truly imbibing and
NOT tag folks who have random levels of alcohol in their blood stream.
That said, I still would have thought that the number woulda been
more like 0.02 or so.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:33:57 +0200, AJC wrote:

On 2 Oct 2003 07:20:31 -0700, (me) wrote:
You have to set the level high
enough so that you only "catch" folks who are truly imbibing and
NOT tag folks who have random levels of alcohol in their blood stream.
That said, I still would have thought that the number woulda been
more like 0.02 or so.

Indeed. And in Sweden I believe the limit is 0.02, for car drivers!
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In California for people under 21, it's .01%....apple consumption is
down.

From the CA DMV website:

"anyone under 21 found driving with a blood alcohol level of .01
percent or higher will automatically lose their driving privilege for
one year."

In article , me
wrote:

We'd all fail. It's pretty hard to have a "zero" test. Too many
foods and other substances have trace amounts of alcohol in them.
Some fruits convert to alcohol pretty quickly. My father used to
leave the apple cider on the porch in the winter to get "tart".
0.04 is low, really low, really REALLY low...

You are kidding, right? 3 glasses of wine in the first hour will take
you to 0.05% according to most driver handbooks. You are not suggesting
that some "traces" of alcohol will get you close to what probably 2-2.5
glasses of wine will get you do you?

me wrote:


We'd all fail. It's pretty hard to have a "zero" test. Too many
foods and other substances have trace amounts of alcohol in them.

Agreed. In California, there is a .01 limit for drivers under 21.

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In article , me
wrote:

We'd all fail. It's pretty hard to have a "zero" test. Too many
foods and other substances have trace amounts of alcohol in them.
Some fruits convert to alcohol pretty quickly. My father used to
leave the apple cider on the porch in the winter to get "tart".
0.04 is low, really low, really REALLY low...

You are kidding, right? 3 glasses of wine in the first hour will take
you to 0.05% according to most driver handbooks. You are not suggesting
that some "traces" of alcohol will get you close to what probably 2-2.5
glasses of wine will get you do you?

Well, if you read closely, you'll note I said I thought the number
would be like 0.02. No, I wasn't trying to suggest that 0.04 would
be based upon "traces". The suggestion was zero and that's extremely
hard to achieve. 0.04 isn't all that hard either. You might not
even feel it.