Teaching english in Europe with no degree but TEFL certificate?

Juliana L Holm writes:

DDT Filled Mormons wrote:

I know a few people teaching here in Italy, and they do just
fine. You also need to be mother-tongue English too if you want to
have a chance. Actually, none of the guys I know even have their
TEFL certificate I don't think! The most important thing seems to
be being presentable, and having the right bits of paper to work.

I thought TEFL by definition meant not mother tongue English? But I
may be wrong, so please educate me.

TEFL means _teaching_ English as a foreign langwidge. It is the
_students_ who are expected not to be native speakers; it is a plus if
the _teacher_ is. (Unless it's Mixi, of course.)

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Des

Des Small wrote:

Juliana L Holm writes:

DDT Filled Mormons wrote:

I know a few people teaching here in Italy, and they do just
fine. You also need to be mother-tongue English too if you want to
have a chance. Actually, none of the guys I know even have their
TEFL certificate I don't think! The most important thing seems to
be being presentable, and having the right bits of paper to work.

I thought TEFL by definition meant not mother tongue English? But I
may be wrong, so please educate me.

TEFL means _teaching_ English as a foreign langwidge. It is the
_students_ who are expected not to be native speakers; it is a plus if
the _teacher_ is. (Unless it's Mixi, of course.)

Mixi is trained in the tones though!

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Tim C. writes:

Not the ones I knew.

I know a great many, and if they are working any significant number of
hours in ESL/EFL, any additional income usually comes from a working
partner. Those who do ESL/EFL part-time may work at other jobs as
well.

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David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:

Of course there is, but how can you give an absolute ('no such thing')
for something subjective- i.e. 'well-paid.'

Well, I have yet to meet a well-paid teacher.

How much, per hour, do you consider 'well-paid.'

Above 200 euro per hour would be a start.

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Earl Evleth writes:

Top American Universities often ask their star profs to teach
one course a semester, about 3 lecture hours per week. A full
Prof gets over $100,000 a year!

How many "star profs" are there in the United States?

At the other end of scale, lower level US colleges hire a lot
of "adjunct professors" at poverty wages.

What percentage of instruction in the U.S. is dispensed by star profs,
and what percentage is dispensed by everyone else?

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Mxsmanic wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:

Of course there is, but how can you give an absolute ('no such thing')
for something subjective- i.e. 'well-paid.'

Well, I have yet to meet a well-paid teacher.

I think we've ascertained you don't get out much.

How much, per hour, do you consider 'well-paid.'

Above 200 euro per hour would be a start.

At least you gave a straight answer- even if it's utter crap. If that's
what you consider well-paid, you must consider your own situation barely
living.

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"Mxsmanic" kirjoitti
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:

Of course there is, but how can you give an absolute ('no such thing')
for something subjective- i.e. 'well-paid.'

Well, I have yet to meet a well-paid teacher.

How much, per hour, do you consider 'well-paid.'

Above 200 euro per hour would be a start.

You haven't seen 200 euros in your life.

David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:

I think we've ascertained you don't get out much.

I spend a great deal of time in a school surrounded by ESL/EFL
teachers.

At least you gave a straight answer- even if it's utter crap. If that's
what you consider well-paid, you must consider your own situation barely
living.

That is exactly the case.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:

I think we've ascertained you don't get out much.

I spend a great deal of time in a school surrounded by ESL/EFL
teachers.

You've already claimed that _they_ weren't well-paid, so your claim that
"Well, I have yet to meet a well-paid teacher" has a certain currency.

At least you gave a straight answer- even if it's utter crap. If that's
what you consider well-paid, you must consider your own situation barely
living.

That is exactly the case.

I consider myself well paid.

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David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org

Following up to Mxsmanic :

Well, I have yet to meet a well-paid teacher.
Which is proof that there are none, obviously.
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Tim C.