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  #1  
Old December 17th, 2011, 09:45 PM posted to rec.travel.air
hls
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"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
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In message someone
claiming to be Irwell typed:

Is that the same system that allowed the 9/11 hijackers to
waltz through with their box-cutters?


Yes. What of it?

Secure the cockpit doors, then when a hijacking occurs, land the plane
at the nearest airport and have SWAT deal with the problem.

--
It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.


A lot of people can die in a situation like the one you describe.
It is a lot better to try to head off such a confrontation before
it happens.

  #2  
Old December 18th, 2011, 01:09 AM posted to rec.travel.air
DevilsPGD[_3_]
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In message someone
claiming to be "hls" typed:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
.. .
In message someone
claiming to be Irwell typed:

Is that the same system that allowed the 9/11 hijackers to
waltz through with their box-cutters?


Yes. What of it?

Secure the cockpit doors, then when a hijacking occurs, land the plane
at the nearest airport and have SWAT deal with the problem.


A lot of people can die in a situation like the one you describe.
It is a lot better to try to head off such a confrontation before
it happens.


This is true, but so what?

A lot of people can die if someone takes a gun to a busy shopping mall
or sporting event, or cuts a dozen cars' brakes all on one day, or goes
after a passenger rail service.

Once you secure the cockpit doors (removing the potential for a hijack,
and the potential to use the plane itself as a weapon), there's nothing
uniquely special or interesting about a plane that makes it a fun place
to stab/shoot/annoy people.

--
It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.
  #3  
Old December 18th, 2011, 01:22 AM posted to rec.travel.air
hls
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Default ANOTHER old lady strip searched


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
...
In message someone
claiming to be "hls" typed:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
. ..
In message someone
claiming to be Irwell typed:

Is that the same system that allowed the 9/11 hijackers to
waltz through with their box-cutters?

Yes. What of it?

Secure the cockpit doors, then when a hijacking occurs, land the plane
at the nearest airport and have SWAT deal with the problem.


A lot of people can die in a situation like the one you describe.
It is a lot better to try to head off such a confrontation before
it happens.


This is true, but so what?

A lot of people can die if someone takes a gun to a busy shopping mall
or sporting event, or cuts a dozen cars' brakes all on one day, or goes
after a passenger rail service.

Once you secure the cockpit doors (removing the potential for a hijack,
and the potential to use the plane itself as a weapon), there's nothing
uniquely special or interesting about a plane that makes it a fun place
to stab/shoot/annoy people.


If terrorists take control of the passenger area, then the pilot
is held hostage just as if the terrorist were in the main cabin.

If "they" are not searched, explosives, edged weapons, guns
can control the airplane, no matter whether these ****heads
gain access to the cabin or not.

If you dont like security, take a bus.

  #4  
Old December 18th, 2011, 04:50 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Fly Guy
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hls used improper usenet message composition style by full-quoting:

If terrorists take control of the passenger area, then the pilot
is held hostage just as if the terrorist were in the main cabin.


You're either a troll or you're lying about this:

I have put on millions of airmiles over my career,


Because if that was true, you'd know that ever since 9/11, pilots are
under strict orders to land the plane immediately when there's trouble
in the cabin.

They will not open the cockpit door, nor negotiate with the would-be
hijacker, nor pay any attention to their demands.

There could be a blood-bath going on in the cabin and the pilots will do
nothing other than to remain in contact with the nearest control tower
as they land the plane.

If "they" are not searched, explosives, edged weapons, guns
can control the airplane, no matter whether these ****heads
gain access to the cabin or not.

If you dont like security, take a bus.


You're either a troll, or an absolute joke.

It's been proven on an actual test inside a de-commisioned plane that
the explosives worn by the Detroit underwear bomber could not have
brought down the plane - or even ruptured the side wall or floors of the
plane even if the bomb had worked perfectly.

There is basically nothing that can take down a plane that can be
brought on by hiding it under your clothes and contain no metal-dectable
parts or otherwise not be seen by X-ray scanning of carry-on bags.

There is ZERO need to be x-raying or patting-down people, or to walk
through the security arch with your shoes off.

The security mania / hysteria surrounding air travel is off the charts
and is costing us a fortune and is making the experience an absolute
nightmare - especially for frequent fliers (which you laughably claim to
be).

You want more proof of this insanity?

ABC evening news tonight ran a story showing US military coming home
from Iraq. They were boarding a Delta plane in Kuwait. Probably some
sort of charter flight. They were dressed in full military uniform.

They were passing their guns through the x-ray machine at the boarding
gate!

What insanity!

They then carried their guns with them onto the plane!

But they still had to run their guns through the X-ray machine!

Explain that!
  #5  
Old December 18th, 2011, 03:48 PM posted to rec.travel.air
hls
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"Fly Guy" wrote in message
Explain that!


And what would your answer be?
  #6  
Old December 18th, 2011, 07:06 PM posted to rec.travel.air
irwell
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:50:07 -0500, Fly Guy wrote:

hls used improper usenet message composition style by full-quoting:

If terrorists take control of the passenger area, then the pilot
is held hostage just as if the terrorist were in the main cabin.


You're either a troll or you're lying about this:

I have put on millions of airmiles over my career,


Because if that was true, you'd know that ever since 9/11, pilots are
under strict orders to land the plane immediately when there's trouble
in the cabin.

They will not open the cockpit door, nor negotiate with the would-be
hijacker, nor pay any attention to their demands.

There could be a blood-bath going on in the cabin and the pilots will do
nothing other than to remain in contact with the nearest control tower
as they land the plane.

If "they" are not searched, explosives, edged weapons, guns
can control the airplane, no matter whether these ****heads
gain access to the cabin or not.

If you dont like security, take a bus.


You're either a troll, or an absolute joke.

It's been proven on an actual test inside a de-commisioned plane that
the explosives worn by the Detroit underwear bomber could not have
brought down the plane - or even ruptured the side wall or floors of the
plane even if the bomb had worked perfectly.

There is basically nothing that can take down a plane that can be
brought on by hiding it under your clothes and contain no metal-dectable
parts or otherwise not be seen by X-ray scanning of carry-on bags.

There is ZERO need to be x-raying or patting-down people, or to walk
through the security arch with your shoes off.

The security mania / hysteria surrounding air travel is off the charts
and is costing us a fortune and is making the experience an absolute
nightmare - especially for frequent fliers (which you laughably claim to
be).

You want more proof of this insanity?

ABC evening news tonight ran a story showing US military coming home
from Iraq. They were boarding a Delta plane in Kuwait. Probably some
sort of charter flight. They were dressed in full military uniform.

They were passing their guns through the x-ray machine at the boarding
gate!

What insanity!

They then carried their guns with them onto the plane!

But they still had to run their guns through the X-ray machine!

Explain that!


Traffic signals change at night with no cars in sight.
Explain that!
  #7  
Old December 18th, 2011, 11:49 PM posted to rec.travel.air
DevilsPGD[_3_]
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Default ANOTHER old lady strip searched

In message someone
claiming to be "hls" typed:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
.. .
In message someone
claiming to be "hls" typed:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
...
In message someone
claiming to be Irwell typed:

Is that the same system that allowed the 9/11 hijackers to
waltz through with their box-cutters?

Yes. What of it?

Secure the cockpit doors, then when a hijacking occurs, land the plane
at the nearest airport and have SWAT deal with the problem.

A lot of people can die in a situation like the one you describe.
It is a lot better to try to head off such a confrontation before
it happens.


This is true, but so what?

A lot of people can die if someone takes a gun to a busy shopping mall
or sporting event, or cuts a dozen cars' brakes all on one day, or goes
after a passenger rail service.

Once you secure the cockpit doors (removing the potential for a hijack,
and the potential to use the plane itself as a weapon), there's nothing
uniquely special or interesting about a plane that makes it a fun place
to stab/shoot/annoy people.


If terrorists take control of the passenger area, then the pilot
is held hostage just as if the terrorist were in the main cabin.


How so? Land, let swat deal with it.

Sure, a crazy might start killing. Or they might start killing if the
pilot does what they're told.

If "they" are not searched, explosives, edged weapons, guns
can control the airplane, no matter whether these ****heads
gain access to the cabin or not.


Only if the captain chooses to allow such action. Captains need to be
trained to do otherwise, as they already are.

If you dont like security, take a bus.


Isn't that pretty much what air travel is these days?

What exactly is so special about air travel that requires any more
security than a bus?

--
It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.
  #8  
Old December 19th, 2011, 01:08 AM posted to rec.travel.air
hls
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"DevilsPGD"
Isn't that pretty much what air travel is these days?



And you are???a ticket agent??

  #9  
Old December 19th, 2011, 03:32 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Fly Guy
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Irwell used improper usenet message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

They then carried their guns with them onto the plane!

But they still had to run their guns through the X-ray machine!

Explain that!


Traffic signals change at night with no cars in sight. Explain that!


Wow.

What a brilliant flash of insight there einstein.

Of course. Compare actual thinking human beings with autonomous devices
like street lights. Of course they're equivalent - so your analogy
makes sense.
  #10  
Old December 19th, 2011, 04:44 AM posted to rec.travel.air
DevilsPGD[_3_]
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In message someone
claiming to be "hls" typed:


"DevilsPGD"
Isn't that pretty much what air travel is these days?



And you are???a ticket agent??


Naa, just a semi-experienced traveler (23,700 miles this quarter)

--
It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.
 




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