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Old January 11th, 2004, 02:44 PM
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USA: CBS 60 Minutes tonight. Whitehouse Whistleblower former treas.
secretary will give the rundown on the truth about the war in Iraq, who
really attacked the twin towers, when the war was planned and who is really
in charge (Hint: It AIN'T Shrub!)

Don't miss it!


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Old January 11th, 2004, 08:08 PM
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USA: CBS 60 Minutes tonight. Whitehouse Whistleblower former treas.
secretary will give the rundown on the truth about the war in Iraq, who
really attacked the twin towers, when the war was planned and who is really
in charge (Hint: It AIN'T Shrub!)

Don't miss it!


Former Treasury Secretary who got canned, supposedly for not supporting the
tax cut or being a bush team player. "Tell all" book just out. Use a few
"grains of salt." g

MTV

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Old January 11th, 2004, 08:20 PM
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:08:25 +0000, MTV wrote:

None wrote:

Former Treasury Secretary who got canned, supposedly for not supporting the
tax cut or being a bush team player. "Tell all" book just out. Use a few
"grains of salt." g


Sure.

OTOH, it has been well-known that the story is true. They are on record
from even before the election that they wanted to go after Saddam.

Still, sour grapes or not, it's nice to have a public confirmation from a
former insider.

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Old January 11th, 2004, 09:06 PM
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"MTV" wrote in message
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None wrote:

USA: CBS 60 Minutes tonight. Whitehouse Whistleblower former treas.
secretary will give the rundown on the truth about the war in Iraq, who
really attacked the twin towers, when the war was planned and who is

really
in charge (Hint: It AIN'T Shrub!)

Don't miss it!


Former Treasury Secretary who got canned, supposedly for not supporting

the
tax cut or being a bush team player. "Tell all" book just out. Use a few
"grains of salt." g

I did, it's not HIS book, it's someone elses. Either way, the interview
should be quite interesting and provide a lot of needed and necessary food
for thought for all the right wing republicans who can't seem to get a clue!


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Old January 11th, 2004, 09:50 PM
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In article , devil
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:08:25 +0000, MTV wrote:

None wrote:

Former Treasury Secretary who got canned, supposedly for not supporting the
tax cut or being a bush team player. "Tell all" book just out. Use a few
"grains of salt." g


Sure.

OTOH, it has been well-known that the story is true. They are on record
from even before the election that they wanted to go after Saddam.


The U.S. Congress is on record, by vote, for regime change in Iraq
since 1998, that was also the position of all the U.S. Presidents since
then.

jay
Sun Jan 11, 2004





Still, sour grapes or not, it's nice to have a public confirmation from a
former insider.

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Old January 11th, 2004, 10:16 PM
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In article , Go Fig
wrote:

In article , devil
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:08:25 +0000, MTV wrote:

None wrote:

Former Treasury Secretary who got canned, supposedly for not supporting
the
tax cut or being a bush team player. "Tell all" book just out. Use a few
"grains of salt." g


Sure.

OTOH, it has been well-known that the story is true. They are on record
from even before the election that they wanted to go after Saddam.


The U.S. Congress is on record, by vote, for regime change in Iraq
since 1998, that was also the position of all the U.S. Presidents since
then.


I love the number of nimrods who think that attacking another country
pre-emptively is just business as usual. Why if this is our 'right'
isn't it the right of any other country e.g. China vis a vis Taiwan --
India vis a vis Pakistan or vice versa etc etc and why isn't the right
of any of the countries whose governments we have intruded on against us?

aggressive war -- rather than defensive war -- has not been our
tradition in the past century and this emphasis on preventing war rather
than pre-emptive war kept us alive through the cold war. It is a
dangerous foolish game that these cowardly chickenhawks are playing with
our country. And it sets dangerous precedents as well as entirely
destroying our moral authority to try to prevent war elsewhere.
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Old January 11th, 2004, 10:26 PM
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:16:48 -0600, Jenn wrote:


I love the number of nimrods who think that attacking another country
pre-emptively is just business as usual. Why if this is our 'right'
isn't it the right of any other country e.g. China vis a vis Taiwan --
India vis a vis Pakistan or vice versa etc etc and why isn't the right
of any of the countries whose governments we have intruded on against us?

aggressive war -- rather than defensive war -- has not been our
tradition in the past century and this emphasis on preventing war rather
than pre-emptive war kept us alive through the cold war. It is a
dangerous foolish game that these cowardly chickenhawks are playing with
our country. And it sets dangerous precedents as well as entirely
destroying our moral authority to try to prevent war elsewhere.


Excellent point, well put.

Mentioning China in this context is truly frightening. Especially if one
has sympathy for Taiwan as it is now, i.e. independent.


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Old January 11th, 2004, 10:43 PM
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In article , Jenn
wrote:

In article , Go Fig
wrote:

In article , devil
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:08:25 +0000, MTV wrote:

None wrote:

Former Treasury Secretary who got canned, supposedly for not supporting
the
tax cut or being a bush team player. "Tell all" book just out. Use a
few
"grains of salt." g

Sure.

OTOH, it has been well-known that the story is true. They are on record
from even before the election that they wanted to go after Saddam.


The U.S. Congress is on record, by vote, for regime change in Iraq
since 1998, that was also the position of all the U.S. Presidents since
then.


I love the number of nimrods who think that attacking another country
pre-emptively is just business as usual. Why if this is our 'right'
isn't it the right of any other country e.g. China vis a vis Taiwan --
India vis a vis Pakistan or vice versa etc etc and why isn't the right
of any of the countries whose governments we have intruded on against us?

aggressive war -- rather than defensive war -- has not been our
tradition in the past century and this emphasis on preventing war rather
than pre-emptive war kept us alive through the cold war. It is a
dangerous foolish game that these cowardly chickenhawks are playing with
our country. And it sets dangerous precedents as well as entirely
destroying our moral authority to try to prevent war elsewhere.



If on the end of your block, there was a house that was dealing drugs
and you went on record condemning this... would your moral authority be
undermined because you don't want drug dealers on your block ?

Is this block and neighborhood in jeopardy because of the drug dealer ?

If you sat back and did nothing or even just condemned it, would the
problem just go away on its own ?

If you stood out there with a video camera recording everyone that went
into that drug house, would your moral authority be undermined ?

jay
Sun Jan 11, 2004

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Old January 11th, 2004, 10:57 PM
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In article , Go Fig
wrote:

In article , Jenn
wrote:

In article , Go Fig
wrote:

In article , devil
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:08:25 +0000, MTV wrote:

None wrote:

Former Treasury Secretary who got canned, supposedly for not
supporting
the
tax cut or being a bush team player. "Tell all" book just out. Use a
few
"grains of salt." g

Sure.

OTOH, it has been well-known that the story is true. They are on
record
from even before the election that they wanted to go after Saddam.

The U.S. Congress is on record, by vote, for regime change in Iraq
since 1998, that was also the position of all the U.S. Presidents since
then.


I love the number of nimrods who think that attacking another country
pre-emptively is just business as usual. Why if this is our 'right'
isn't it the right of any other country e.g. China vis a vis Taiwan --
India vis a vis Pakistan or vice versa etc etc and why isn't the right
of any of the countries whose governments we have intruded on against us?

aggressive war -- rather than defensive war -- has not been our
tradition in the past century and this emphasis on preventing war rather
than pre-emptive war kept us alive through the cold war. It is a
dangerous foolish game that these cowardly chickenhawks are playing with
our country. And it sets dangerous precedents as well as entirely
destroying our moral authority to try to prevent war elsewhere.



If on the end of your block, there was a house that was dealing drugs
and you went on record condemning this... would your moral authority be
undermined because you don't want drug dealers on your block ?

Is this block and neighborhood in jeopardy because of the drug dealer ?

If you sat back and did nothing or even just condemned it, would the
problem just go away on its own ?

If you stood out there with a video camera recording everyone that went
into that drug house, would your moral authority be undermined ?

jay
Sun Jan 11, 2004


so America has a right to invade any country it feels like invading?
And this will lead to a better world for us and for everyone else? or
heck, even for us?

Saddam Hussein posed no particular threat outside his borders -- our job
now to tell everyone in the world how to run their countries? Look how
well our previous attempts have worked out in Chile, in Iran, in Vietnam
etc etc
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Old January 11th, 2004, 11:23 PM
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In article , devil
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:16:48 -0600, Jenn wrote:


I love the number of nimrods who think that attacking another country
pre-emptively is just business as usual. Why if this is our 'right'
isn't it the right of any other country e.g. China vis a vis Taiwan --
India vis a vis Pakistan or vice versa etc etc and why isn't the right
of any of the countries whose governments we have intruded on against us?

aggressive war -- rather than defensive war -- has not been our
tradition in the past century and this emphasis on preventing war rather
than pre-emptive war kept us alive through the cold war. It is a
dangerous foolish game that these cowardly chickenhawks are playing with
our country. And it sets dangerous precedents as well as entirely
destroying our moral authority to try to prevent war elsewhere.


Excellent point, well put.


I don't think that during the history of the cold war, those in control
were crazy. Misguided... ignorant sometimes stupid... but still they
valued human live and were concerned, to various degrees, about
opinion.

The butcher and the psychopath in N. Korea are way too unstable to have
nukes and a stockpile must be stopped.... the risk only will grow.

jay
Sun Jan 11, 2004







Mentioning China in this context is truly frightening. Especially if one
has sympathy for Taiwan as it is now, i.e. independent.


 




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