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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
"JohnT" wrote:
. I find it very difficult to comprehend how the RETURN half of an e-ticket can be "mucked up". An e-ticket is just a record on a computer system - Amadeus in the case of BA - and it has no physical existence. It doesn't have two halfs. Perhaps Erilar should try a few flights on Spirit Airlines in the USA or on Ryanair in Europe. She may then have some benchmark for comparison. In Europe itself I normally take the train. This was part of a cruise package. No one could understand how they mucked up the return half of an e-ticket. I even had it in my hand! Even so, what was in their computer didn't match it. The number was correct, but someone had butchered my name. Computers are seldom that kind of stupid. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
"Erilar" wrote in message ... "JohnT" wrote: . I find it very difficult to comprehend how the RETURN half of an e-ticket can be "mucked up". An e-ticket is just a record on a computer system - Amadeus in the case of BA - and it has no physical existence. It doesn't have two halfs. Perhaps Erilar should try a few flights on Spirit Airlines in the USA or on Ryanair in Europe. She may then have some benchmark for comparison. In Europe itself I normally take the train. This was part of a cruise package. No one could understand how they mucked up the return half of an e-ticket. I even had it in my hand! Even so, what was in their computer didn't match it. The number was correct, but someone had butchered my name. Computers are seldom that kind of stupid. OK, so it wasn't British Airways who made the mistake. The error was by whoever booked your cruise package as you had no direct contact with BA in the booking process. And computers are totally without intelligence. They rely entirely on whoever programs them and/or feeds information to their programs. -- JohnT |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
"JohnT" wrote:
"Erilar" wrote in message ... "JohnT" wrote: . I find it very difficult to comprehend how the RETURN half of an e-ticket can be "mucked up". An e-ticket is just a record on a computer system - Amadeus in the case of BA - and it has no physical existence. It doesn't have two halfs. Perhaps Erilar should try a few flights on Spirit Airlines in the USA or on Ryanair in Europe. She may then have some benchmark for comparison. In Europe itself I normally take the train. This was part of a cruise package. No one could understand how they mucked up the return half of an e-ticket. I even had it in my hand! Even so, what was in their computer didn't match it. The number was correct, but someone had butchered my name. Computers are seldom that kind of stupid. OK, so it wasn't British Airways who made the mistake. The error was by whoever booked your cruise package as you had no direct contact with BA in the booking process. And computers are totally without intelligence. They rely entirely on whoever programs them and/or feeds information to their programs. No, everything was correct on the e-ticket for both legs of the trip, as the woman at the BA counter agreed. Someone had intervened and mucked up my name, apparently while I was on the cruise. The ticket was part of the cruise package. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
On 2014-06-04 13:43:12 +0000, tim..... said:
"Bill" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 11:59:44 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan wrote: On 03/06/2014 23:53, Dan Leifker wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-humanity.html Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article. Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants, work desks, shops, and seating galore. But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S. airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass. Thanks for link to article. You're welcome. My daughter is currently living in Pennsylvania. The only downside to returning to the UK on a visit is that she dreads the whole US immigration experience on returning. Everyone does. Why do customer facing US uniformed immigration officials at international airports carry pistols? Have any of them ever shot anyone? I just don't understand why they have to be so goddamned rude It's possible to be firm, but polite. That's how I've always found them at San Francisco in recent years (almost the only US airport I often use for entry, though I use others for exit). Certainly never "goddamned rude". My wife has rather dry fingers that don't get registered by the fingerprint machine, but rather than being rude the passport officer produced some greasy substance. -- athel |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
On 2014-06-04 13:40:51 +0000, tim..... said:
"Dan Leifker" wrote in message news:2014060315532625059-daniel@dleifkercom... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-humanity.html Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article. Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants, work desks, shops, and seating galore. But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S. airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass. Thanks for link to article. thorough the guy must have been asleep when he left The fingerprinting is so that they can check that you left again. I don't remember being fingerprinted at exit, but maybe I've just forgotten. -- athel |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
On 2014-06-06 15:10:28 +0000, Erilar said:
[ … ] Even France? I think that you and I have convinced her of the error of her ways and she is now a Francophile. I no longer have a problem with French airports, as I don't have any interest in visiting France again. I'm surprised at your comments. I live in France and have often entered at Charles de Gaulle or Marseille-Provence without ever having any problems. Mind you, I have a UK passport: it may be different for Americans, though my two American daughters have never reported any problems. Entering from the UK can be slow, but that has more to do with British pig-headed about the Schengen Area, than to the French. Going to the UK from Marseilles can also be very slow if there is a flight going to Algeria, Morocco or Tunisia at about the same time (as there often is). -- athel |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
"Erilar" wrote in message ... "JohnT" wrote: "Erilar" wrote in message ... "JohnT" wrote: . I find it very difficult to comprehend how the RETURN half of an e-ticket can be "mucked up". An e-ticket is just a record on a computer system - Amadeus in the case of BA - and it has no physical existence. It doesn't have two halfs. Perhaps Erilar should try a few flights on Spirit Airlines in the USA or on Ryanair in Europe. She may then have some benchmark for comparison. In Europe itself I normally take the train. This was part of a cruise package. No one could understand how they mucked up the return half of an e-ticket. I even had it in my hand! Even so, what was in their computer didn't match it. The number was correct, but someone had butchered my name. Computers are seldom that kind of stupid. OK, so it wasn't British Airways who made the mistake. The error was by whoever booked your cruise package as you had no direct contact with BA in the booking process. And computers are totally without intelligence. They rely entirely on whoever programs them and/or feeds information to their programs. No, everything was correct on the e-ticket for both legs of the trip, as the woman at the BA counter agreed. Someone had intervened and mucked up my name, apparently while I was on the cruise. The ticket was part of the cruise package. But there is no evidence at all that British Airways were at fault. -- JohnT |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
On 09/06/2014 18:20, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2014-06-06 15:10:28 +0000, Erilar said: [ … ] Even France? I think that you and I have convinced her of the error of her ways and she is now a Francophile. I no longer have a problem with French airports, as I don't have any interest in visiting France again. I'm surprised at your comments. I live in France and have often entered at Charles de Gaulle or Marseille-Provence without ever having any problems. Mind you, I have a UK passport: it may be different for Americans, though my two American daughters have never reported any problems. Entering from the UK can be slow, but that has more to do with British pig-headed about the Schengen Area and thank god for that! |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
"Athel Cornish-Bowden" wrote in message ... On 2014-06-04 13:40:51 +0000, tim..... said: "Dan Leifker" wrote in message news:2014060315532625059-daniel@dleifkercom... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-humanity.html Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article. Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants, work desks, shops, and seating galore. But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S. airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass. Thanks for link to article. thorough the guy must have been asleep when he left The fingerprinting is so that they can check that you left again. I don't remember being fingerprinted at exit, but maybe I've just forgotten. You're supposed to find the machine and do it yourself tim -- athel |
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US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:04:35 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan
wrote: On 09/06/2014 18:20, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: On 2014-06-06 15:10:28 +0000, Erilar said: [ … ] Even France? I think that you and I have convinced her of the error of her ways and she is now a Francophile. I no longer have a problem with French airports, as I don't have any interest in visiting France again. I'm surprised at your comments. I live in France and have often entered at Charles de Gaulle or Marseille-Provence without ever having any problems. Mind you, I have a UK passport: it may be different for Americans, though my two American daughters have never reported any problems. Entering from the UK can be slow, but that has more to do with British pig-headed about the Schengen Area and thank god for that! Why? It's not as if they can stop anyone with a Schengen Area passport from coming in. |
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