Where are all the posts?

A Mate wrote:

Notwithstanding the concerns of some posters re a few posters - the
simple fact is that - Usenet is all but dead - in all forums.

Spammers, faster more focussed social networking sites have all
contributed to Usenet's inevitable death.

It's evolution - in progress!

It is true that Usenet is on the decline toward likely death. The
spammers and trolls were there for years but with the decline of real
users the trolls and spammers are magnified which further hastens the
end.

Users have migrated to walled gardens, web forums like Cruise Critic and
the social, Facebook and Twitter, where they let someone else control
keeping off the crap.

As you say it is evolution. Old forms die and are replaced by something
new.
--
Charles

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 05:53:12 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Patric wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:40:04 -0400, Ari Silverstein, C.T.A. wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:45:43 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Patric wrote:

It's not just this group, but the entire Usenet that's dying.

Dying? As in "going to be dead"? What a crock.

Believe what you will, but the growing and rapid decrease in Usenet
traffic is systemic, and a harbinger of its eventual demise as a public
forum. For example, 10 to 15 years ago rtc got a hundred or more
messages every day. How many in the last 24 hours? 2 or 3 dozen? And
the vast majority of those had nothing at all to do with cruising.

Stef

RTC was a failing newsgroup before I ever posted here. Incessant
arguments between Charles et al and that idiot Sisker did as much
damage as the posters who tried to turn RTC into their own personal
message board. Add the loss of all of the respected TA's, you have a
unique model not a general one for Usenet death.

There are and will continue to be hundreds of very active Usenet
groups whose topics aren't expiring (food), ever changing (politics),
and necessary (freeware) unlike RTC. Most anything that has been said
about cruising can be found in the Google Groups archives.

You used the words "death" and "dying", a better and more accurate
choice would be diminished.


--
Ari Silverstein, C.T.A; C.T.A.S, FREE Cruise Travel Advisory Services
I never have nor ever will solicit or accept a booking.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:39:03 -0400, Ari Silverstein, C.T.A. wrote:

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 05:53:12 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Patric wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:40:04 -0400, Ari Silverstein, C.T.A. wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:45:43 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Patric wrote:

It's not just this group, but the entire Usenet that's dying.

Dying? As in "going to be dead"? What a crock.

Believe what you will, but the growing and rapid decrease in Usenet
traffic is systemic, and a harbinger of its eventual demise as a public
forum. For example, 10 to 15 years ago rtc got a hundred or more
messages every day. How many in the last 24 hours? 2 or 3 dozen? And
the vast majority of those had nothing at all to do with cruising.

Stef

RTC was a failing newsgroup before I ever posted here. Incessant
arguments between Charles et al and that idiot Sisker did as much damage
as the posters who tried to turn RTC into their own personal message
board. Add the loss of all of the respected TA's, you have a unique
model not a general one for Usenet death.

There are and will continue to be hundreds of very active Usenet groups
whose topics aren't expiring (food), ever changing (politics), and
necessary (freeware) unlike RTC. Most anything that has been said about
cruising can be found in the Google Groups archives.

You used the words "death" and "dying", a better and more accurate
choice would be diminished.

Well, Usenet has "diminished" sufficiently that many ISPs have stopped
serving it, mine included, as has Microsoft which greatly affected the
Usenet, in general. (Many casual Windows' Usenet users used MS instead
of their ISPs or dedicated hosts for their access.)

FWIW, with the announcement by MS that it would be terminating its
hosting, there was panic. Many Windows users "thought" (from the
postings in the microsoft.public.* areas) that Microsoft was the Usenet
and was turning it off. They had to be told the truth, and that they
could still get the Usenet by means other than through Microsoft.

The day after MS stopped their hosting, the activity on the MS Windows
groups I frequent (about 6) dropped dramatically. 50% or more off. And
in the ensuing 3 months or so, they have not returned to "pre" levels. I
doubt they ever will. One more nail in the coffin.

Anyway, at some point, traffic on the Usenet will have "diminished" to a
point where the "for pay" providers will have to shut down due to
unprofitability. The free ones may last longer, but not much more, since
there comes a time when one must declare that the run is over and the
show must close.


Stef

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:46:43 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Patric wrote:

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:39:03 -0400, Ari Silverstein, C.T.A. wrote:

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 05:53:12 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Patric wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:40:04 -0400, Ari Silverstein, C.T.A. wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:45:43 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Patric wrote:

It's not just this group, but the entire Usenet that's dying.

Dying? As in "going to be dead"? What a crock.

Believe what you will, but the growing and rapid decrease in Usenet
traffic is systemic, and a harbinger of its eventual demise as a public
forum. For example, 10 to 15 years ago rtc got a hundred or more
messages every day. How many in the last 24 hours? 2 or 3 dozen? And
the vast majority of those had nothing at all to do with cruising.

Stef

RTC was a failing newsgroup before I ever posted here. Incessant
arguments between Charles et al and that idiot Sisker did as much damage
as the posters who tried to turn RTC into their own personal message
board. Add the loss of all of the respected TA's, you have a unique
model not a general one for Usenet death.

There are and will continue to be hundreds of very active Usenet groups
whose topics aren't expiring (food), ever changing (politics), and
necessary (freeware) unlike RTC. Most anything that has been said about
cruising can be found in the Google Groups archives.

You used the words "death" and "dying", a better and more accurate
choice would be diminished.

Well, Usenet has "diminished" sufficiently that many ISPs have stopped
serving it, mine included, as has Microsoft which greatly affected the
Usenet, in general. (Many casual Windows' Usenet users used MS instead
of their ISPs or dedicated hosts for their access.)

Had little to nothing to do with Usenet access denial. ISPs now offer
you less service at the same price. The fact they have dropped it is
one of the reasons for diminished use, on this we agree.

FWIW, with the announcement by MS that it would be terminating its
hosting, there was panic. Many Windows users "thought" (from the
postings in the microsoft.public.* areas) that Microsoft was the Usenet
and was turning it off. They had to be told the truth, and that they
could still get the Usenet by means other than through Microsoft.

The day after MS stopped their hosting, the activity on the MS Windows
groups I frequent (about 6) dropped dramatically. 50% or more off. And
in the ensuing 3 months or so, they have not returned to "pre" levels. I
doubt they ever will. One more nail in the coffin.

Anyway, at some point, traffic on the Usenet will have "diminished" to a
point where the "for pay" providers will have to shut down due to
unprofitability. The free ones may last longer, but not much more, since
there comes a time when one must declare that the run is over and the
show must close.

Stef

There have been more "for pay" providers of Usenet services in the
last few years than ever before.
--
Ari Silverstein, C.T.A; C.T.A.S, FREE Cruise Travel Advisory Services
I never have nor ever will solicit or accept a booking.

On Sep 26, 9:19*am, Charles wrote:
A Mate wrote:
Notwithstanding the concerns of some posters re a few posters - the
simple fact is that - Usenet is all but dead - in all forums.

Spammers, faster more focussed social networking sites have all
contributed to Usenet's inevitable death.

It's evolution - in progress!

It is true that Usenet is on the decline toward likely death. The
spammers and trolls were there for years but with the decline of real
users the trolls and spammers are magnified which further hastens the
end.

Users have migrated to walled gardens, web forums like Cruise Critic and
the social, Facebook and Twitter, where they let someone else control
keeping off the crap. *

As you say it is evolution. Old forms die and are replaced by something
new.
--
Charles

Very true Many of us on Facebook and Cruise critic although I always
liked it on RTC met alot of nice people. We also have a email looper
of the regulars....to much BS on here...