US airports: 'menacing, cramped and devoid of humanity'

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 02:24:28 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:13:47 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 19:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:57:13 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

Martin wrote:


Erilar suffers from r.t.e anaemia and people like us :-)



Did you go to Stonehenge as planned, Erilar?

Stonehenge itself, quick stroll through Visitor Center, picnic with
friends, Woodhenge, Old Sarum, Old Wardour, Farleigh Hungerford. All except
Visitor Center very interesting despite rain most of the day.

but not Salisbury?

Too modern with limited time 8-)

It's even younger than you and I :-)

I had one day. I managed to add quite a bit to Stonehenge.

Why did you got to Hungerford? For the antique/junque shops or because you spent
a night in The Bear Inn?

Shops? I went to the castle ruin. Very nice one.

Ah! Farleigh Hungerford Castle. A bit young for you isn;t it? :-)
Ah, but it's mostly ruin and not Victorianized.

There are plenty like that in France, some unrestored, in a better condition, &
most are older.


Have you visited Maiden Castle in Dorset?

I have visited very little in England, actually. Not only is Heathrow an
ordeal, but there's no single central site where one can figure out, much
less book transport possibilities. German- speaking countries have spoiled
me.

I can think of several suitable sites in England. You aren't going to find one
central site for the whole of England any more than you can in Germany or the
USA. England is too big.

I can plot all th transport at one site in Germany, Austria, or
Switzerland.

I don't understand what you mean.
If you are referring to trains the Dbahn website covers UK too.

I never asked it for UK. Didn't know it reached that far. And all those
idionsyncratic busses, too?


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Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:31:14 +0100, Jack Campin wrote:

Erilar wrote:
I have visited very little in England, actually. Not only is Heathrow an
ordeal, but there's no single central site where one can figure out, much
less book transport possibilities.

I told you about this one last time you made that complaint:

http://traveline.info/

Did you even look at it?

It all goes wrong when it asks you to chose the operator.

Caledonian and Argyle Ferries are odd options for a trip in the York area. :-)
Select the most obvious operator and get a response that it's impossible.
I put in five trips that I have done by bus. The tool failed to provide a route
for all except one. Using the Dutch equivalent you tell it where you are and
your destination, neither need to be bus stops or railway stations.
I think you need a car if you want to visit castles and or abbeys in Yorkshire.

I had friends with car for York and a couple castle ruins in Yorkshire on
my one extended UK visit, most of which was devoted to Wales.

I spent a week based in York with a car visiting just monasteries/abbeys,
without seeing all of the monasteries/abbeys in the area. You could easily spend
another week visiting castles in the area.

Oh, I know that, but I can't drive on what for me is the wrong side. I'd
probably have an accident before getting away from the airport!

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Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

On 6/18/2014 2:10 PM, Erilar wrote:
Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:31:14 +0100, Jack Campin wrote:

Erilar wrote:
I have visited very little in England, actually. Not only is Heathrow an
ordeal, but there's no single central site where one can figure out, much
less book transport possibilities.

I told you about this one last time you made that complaint:

http://traveline.info/

Did you even look at it?

It all goes wrong when it asks you to chose the operator.

Caledonian and Argyle Ferries are odd options for a trip in the York area. :-)
Select the most obvious operator and get a response that it's impossible.
I put in five trips that I have done by bus. The tool failed to provide a route
for all except one. Using the Dutch equivalent you tell it where you are and
your destination, neither need to be bus stops or railway stations.
I think you need a car if you want to visit castles and or abbeys in Yorkshire.

I had friends with car for York and a couple castle ruins in Yorkshire on
my one extended UK visit, most of which was devoted to Wales.

I spent a week based in York with a car visiting just monasteries/abbeys,
without seeing all of the monasteries/abbeys in the area. You could easily spend
another week visiting castles in the area.

Oh, I know that, but I can't drive on what for me is the wrong side. I'd
probably have an accident before getting away from the airport!

If you feel that way, it might be best not to drive. I was in Sweden
when they switched from driving on the left to driving on the right. It
was not too chaotic. There's no truth to the story that even license
plates did it on Saturday and odds the following Sunday.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

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Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), Erilar

wrote:

Jack Campin wrote:
Erilar wrote:
I have visited very little in England, actually. Not only is Heathrow
an
ordeal, but there's no single central site where one can figure out,
much
less book transport possibilities.

I told you about this one last time you made that complaint:

http://traveline.info/

Did you even look at it?

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I think I did. It doesn't cure Heathrow, however.

Are you going to tell us exactly what happened to you at Heathrow? I've
used
all the London Airports, except Luton, Stansted and Southend, many times,
without ever having had a problem.

It's exhausting

as is any large airport where you land(/TO) at the far end of a pier.

This is just down to luck. It can happen at FRA, for example

and apparently has no water fountains,

it does now

just machines
requiring English coins,

Hm, so machines in other airports routinely take "foreign" coins, do they?

at least once I was well past security and trying
to find my gate---- which was not assigned until I barely had time to find
it.

Yes this is an issue.

tim

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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On 6/18/2014 2:10 PM, Erilar wrote:
Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC), Erilar

wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:31:14 +0100, Jack Campin
wrote:

Erilar wrote:
I have visited very little in England, actually. Not only is
Heathrow an
ordeal, but there's no single central site where one can figure out,
much
less book transport possibilities.

I told you about this one last time you made that complaint:

http://traveline.info/

Did you even look at it?

It all goes wrong when it asks you to chose the operator.

Caledonian and Argyle Ferries are odd options for a trip in the York
area. :-)
Select the most obvious operator and get a response that it's
impossible.
I put in five trips that I have done by bus. The tool failed to
provide a route
for all except one. Using the Dutch equivalent you tell it where you
are and
your destination, neither need to be bus stops or railway stations.
I think you need a car if you want to visit castles and or abbeys in
Yorkshire.

I had friends with car for York and a couple castle ruins in Yorkshire
on
my one extended UK visit, most of which was devoted to Wales.

I spent a week based in York with a car visiting just
monasteries/abbeys,
without seeing all of the monasteries/abbeys in the area. You could
easily spend
another week visiting castles in the area.

Oh, I know that, but I can't drive on what for me is the wrong side. I'd
probably have an accident before getting away from the airport!

If you feel that way, it might be best not to drive. I was in Sweden when
they switched from driving on the left to driving on the right. It was not
too chaotic. There's no truth to the story that even license plates did it
on Saturday and odds the following Sunday.

I thought it was cars one day and lorries the next :-)

tim

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014, Martin wrote:

I can remember when i first discovered Dbahn, getting Dbahn to give me
time tables for a trip from Fort William to Vladivostok.

Would you mind to try Milan to Chiavenna or Sondrio, or just Bergamo or
Brescia now?

I was a great fan of the DB search engine for all Europe, I used it even
for 5 minute trips between Milan Lambrate and Milan Greco. Back in the
times when the Trenitalia search engine was a pain in the neck, and
there was no "viaggiatreno".

However, when regional trains in Lombardy got contracted to Trenord (a
joint venture of FNM/LeNord and Trenitalia) ... they disappeared from
the DB search engine. I guess Trenord did not feed them into HAFAS.

At that time Milan-Chiavenna or Sondrio gave some odd route through
Switzerland (direct routes are all Trenord). Milano-Bergamo gave "no
service" (route is entirely Trenord). Milano-Brescia gave a very ragged
service (only ES and some inter-regional trains operated by Trenitalia,
ignoring all Trenord trains).

I haven't checked if they recovered it now with new summer timetable.

"tim....." wrote:
"Erilar" wrote in message ...
Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
..

Are you going to tell us exactly what happened to you at Heathrow? I've used
all the London Airports, except Luton, Stansted and Southend, many times,
without ever having had a problem.

It's exhausting

as is any large airport where you land(/TO) at the far end of a pier.

This is just down to luck. It can happen at FRA, for example

and apparently has no water fountains,

it does now

just machines
requiring English coins,

Hm, so machines in other airports routinely take "foreign" coins, do they?

They have free water in fountains.

at least once I was well past security and trying
to find my gate---- which was not assigned until I barely had time to find
it.

Yes this is an issue.

tim


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Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Martin wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:55:21 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
wrote:

"tim....." wrote:
"Erilar" wrote in message
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Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
.

Are you going to tell us exactly what happened to you at Heathrow? I've used
all the London Airports, except Luton, Stansted and Southend, many times,
without ever having had a problem.

It's exhausting

as is any large airport where you land(/TO) at the far end of a pier.

This is just down to luck. It can happen at FRA, for example

and apparently has no water fountains,

it does now

just machines
requiring English coins,

and the shuttle buses between terminals in the airport in New York only accept
dollars. Somebody had to lend/give me the fare because there was nowhere to
change money in the terminal that European incoming flights used.

Revenge for Heathrow, perhaps! 8-)

Hm, so machines in other airports routinely take "foreign" coins, do they?

Only the 2 Euro coins that a non EU country has copied the weight and dimensions
of ;-)


They have free water in fountains.



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Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

On 18/06/2014 19:21, James Silverton wrote:

Oh, I know that, but I can't drive on what for me is the wrong side. I'd
probably have an accident before getting away from the airport!

If you feel that way, it might be best not to drive. I was in Sweden
when they switched from driving on the left to driving on the right. It
was not too chaotic. There's no truth to the story that even license
plates did it on Saturday and odds the following Sunday.

I believe that contrary to dire predictions, deaths and injuries on the
roads actually dropped.

On 20/06/2014 07:48, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:40:15 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan wrote:

On 18/06/2014 19:21, James Silverton wrote:

Oh, I know that, but I can't drive on what for me is the wrong side. I'd
probably have an accident before getting away from the airport!

If you feel that way, it might be best not to drive. I was in Sweden
when they switched from driving on the left to driving on the right. It
was not too chaotic. There's no truth to the story that even license
plates did it on Saturday and odds the following Sunday.

I believe that contrary to dire predictions, deaths and injuries on the
roads actually dropped.

No increase in head on collisions after the change?

I think that everybody was driving with excessive caution. Don't know
how long it lasted.