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Deep Foiled Malls typed: On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:45:12 -0700, "Ken Blake" wrote: In , Gerrit 't Hart typed: "algiardino" wrote in message oups.com... Le bed and breakfast "Al Giardino" se trouve près de Centro Historique de Venise, en Italie. Les nôtre bed and breakfast il loue des chambres And I thought this was an English language newsgroup. You were wrong. It's an International newsgroup, where all languages are welcome. Nah, it's an English speakers newsgroups. I don't mind reading the odd bit of swahili stuff here, but it's 99.5% English, and should be treated as such. Nope. It's true that it's overwhelmingly English, but that doesn't make it a requirement. It's an international group (as are almost all newsgroups, unless explicitly stated otherwise). You are free, of course, to read or not read whatever posts you want, choosing by language, poster, or any other criterion you like. -- Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:45:44 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : ... It's not usually, in English. It's technically a glide, or a semivowel. ... Another example of one is "w" as in weekend, and you don't say or write ... "an weekend" in English either. Given that W is *not* a vowel, no, I don't. It's *usually* not a vowel. But in words "few" and "how," it is. ... And E *looks* like a vowel, too ! ... ... As was explained already, it's the sound that is important. Yes, Y sounds like a vowel. Again, it depends on the word. In a word like "symphony," both "y"s are vowels. But in a word like "young," the "y" is a consonant. That's why we say "a young man," not "an young man." -- Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup |
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"Magda " ? wrote in message
... Y sounds like a vowel to me. And E *looks* like a vowel, too ! The vowel sounds are the ones you can sing. They are entirely formed by the throat & mouth without the involvement of the tongue or lips. All of the consonants involve the tongue. The letter Y can take either a consonant or vowel sound depending on the word. Often, but not exclusively, it depends on the position of the Y within the word. If the Y is at the beginning or in the middle it generally takes a consonant sound, if it is at the end it generally takes a vowel sound. Try saying "Yield" and "Mary" and notice what your tongue is doing. European is pronounced (in English) as if it has a (consonant) Y at the beginning and thus, quite properly, is associated with "a". If you were to pronounce it French-style (ooropean) then it would associate with "an". T. |
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Magda ? wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:45:44 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : [] ... It's not usually, in English. It's technically a glide, or a semivowel. ... Another example of one is "w" as in weekend, and you don't say or write ... "an weekend" in English either. Given that W is *not* a vowel, no, I don't. Nor is Y- as I wrote, it's a glide- a semivowel. Y and W (though less often in the case of W) are both semivowels. They can function as both, which doesn't mean they are both, and certainly not all the time. You wouldn't say "an yellow box" either- well, you could, but it would be incorrect. There are hardly any words in English where, when a word begins with a "y" it functions as a vowel. ... And E *looks* like a vowel, too ! ... ... As was explained already, it's the sound that is important. Yes, Y sounds like a vowel. Not in the word "Yellow" it doesn't, just as the sound at the beginning of the word "Europe" is not a vowel either. Most english words that begin with Y don't have it sound like a vowel. The ones that do are often technical terms (medicine, chemistry)- I can't think of any offhand- but I'm sure there are plenty. -- David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk |
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news:1gy282q.mume4g1x3d24kN%this_address_is_for_sp , chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco typed: Most english words that begin with Y don't have it sound like a vowel. The ones that do are often technical terms (medicine, chemistry)- I can't think of any offhand- but I'm sure there are plenty. The word starting with "y" as a vowel that immediately sprang to my mind was "yclept (admittedly archaic). Chemical terms include the elements "yttrium" and ytterbium." -- Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Ken Blake wrote:
In news:1gy282q.mume4g1x3d24kN%this_address_is_for_sp , chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco typed: Most english words that begin with Y don't have it sound like a vowel. The ones that do are often technical terms (medicine, chemistry)- I can't think of any offhand- but I'm sure there are plenty. The word starting with "y" as a vowel that immediately sprang to my mind was "yclept (admittedly archaic). What a lovely word! Chemical terms include the elements "yttrium" and ytterbium." Those were about the only ones I know about! -- David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk |
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Magda ? wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:23:35 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : [] ... Not in the word "Yellow" it doesn't, just as the sound at the beginning ... of the word "Europe" is not a vowel either. Most english words that ... begin with Y don't have it sound like a vowel. Which consonant is that sound, then ? The voiced palatal semivocalic consonant /y/ Nope. Not convinced. Whatever. -- David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk |
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In article , Deep Foiled
Malls says... Nah, it's an English speakers newsgroups. I don't mind reading the odd bit of swahili stuff here, but it's 99.5% English, and should be treated as such. And "swahili stuff" is insulting. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from China, Myanmar, Brunei, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Germany, Austria, Prague, Budapest, Singapore and Portugal |
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In article 1gy24tr.7gqzjl1hmf60fN%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com,
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco says... It's a perfectly good one, and easy to understand. I can't think of any exceptions to it (can anyone?)- dialect variations notwithstanding. For example, some people will correctly say "an herb"- others "a herb." All depends on whether or not the initial "h" is silent or not. I thought "a herb" was correct. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from China, Myanmar, Brunei, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Germany, Austria, Prague, Budapest, Singapore and Portugal |
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