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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:38:59 -0700, George Graves
wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:34:07 -0700, Hatunen wrote (in article ): On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:17 -0700, George Graves wrote: A counselor is anyone who gives council the is to say, expert advice. This advice can be medical, psycological, marital (as in a marriage counselor), legal (as in a lawyer): Come, come. A counselor doesn't give council, a counselor gives counsel. You own quoted defintion below makes the difference clear. You're gonna crucify me for a spelling mistake????!!!! I would think that in this case the difference is a bit critical. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
Hatunen wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:38:59 -0700, George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:34:07 -0700, Hatunen wrote (in article ): On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:17 -0700, George Graves wrote: A counselor is anyone who gives council the is to say, expert advice. This advice can be medical, psycological, marital (as in a marriage counselor), legal (as in a lawyer): Come, come. A counselor doesn't give council, a counselor gives counsel. You own quoted defintion below makes the difference clear. You're gonna crucify me for a spelling mistake????!!!! I would think that in this case the difference is a bit critical. Ah, finally, I am enlighened. Or is it inlightened? ;-) |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
In article , gmgraves2
@comcast.net says... On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:24:27 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:06:28 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 13:53:32 -0400, George Graves said: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. Is that a threat, or just the empty bluster it looks like? I'm no Republican, but had I been the Judge, Clinton would have done time. Just curious, what about Scooter? Scooter GOT time, but Bush pardoned him. LOLOLOL Oh man...... what happened to ....... It undermines our entire court system if ONE perjurer is allowed to get away with lying under oath, much less the sitting President of the United States. "Do as we say, not as we do", NeoCON/Jesuslander mentality, hummm..... possibly? Did I say that I AGREED with Bush's action? I did not. I was merely pointing out that it has nothing per se to do with the US system of jurisprudence, but its rather a presidential privilege just as a governor has the privilege of granting stays of execution and commuting death sentences to life in prison. You guys should start reading for content instead of looking for NeoCons under every bed... We're just too weak as a country to survive I think. Go algore! Go whatever, just leave me alone and don't mind the jihadists on their way in. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:58:20 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:24:27 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:06:28 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 13:53:32 -0400, George Graves said: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. Is that a threat, or just the empty bluster it looks like? I'm no Republican, but had I been the Judge, Clinton would have done time. Just curious, what about Scooter? Scooter GOT time, but Bush pardoned him. LOLOLOL Oh man...... what happened to ....... It undermines our entire court system if ONE perjurer is allowed to get away with lying under oath, much less the sitting President of the United States. "Do as we say, not as we do", NeoCON/Jesuslander mentality, hummm..... possibly? Did I say that I AGREED with Bush's action? I did not. I was merely pointing out that it has nothing per se to do with the US system of jurisprudence, but its rather a presidential privilege just as a governor has the privilege of granting stays of execution and commuting death sentences to life in prison. You guys should start reading for content instead of looking for NeoCons under every bed... HAHAHAHAHA!! If they had their way, they would be under all our beds!! Keepin us "moral"............ Thankfully, their day in the sun is over. If the REAL Conservatives in the Republican party were smart, they'd form a new party to distance themselves from these people. We need a strong, national, third party anyway because the two parties that we now have have not represented an increasing number of Americans' interests in decades. Agreed!!! I have absolutely no problem with Genuine Conservatives or Genuine Republicans. And agree with more of their policies than Democratic Policies. But for example, HannaBot, O'Riley & OxyRush are neither. -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
Hatunen wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:37:39 -0400, Dave Smith wrote: It would be interesting to see what percentage of them know that impeachment itself does not get rid of the president but is just a step towards it. What is the next step? Or do you just mean the vote of the Senate? You are free to check out the US system. I was just pointing out that a lot of people are screaming for impeachment under the misunderstanding that it means the person is automatically booted out of office. They aren't. In the British parliamentary system the non confidence vote is done by the Parliament, not the people, and generally only happens when there is a minority government. So what's your point there? My point was in response to George Graves' comment that the people can vote "no confidence" to a sitting administration. The people don't do it. The opposition parties in Parliament do it. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:37 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:41:13 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 16:47:13 -0400, George Graves said: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:15:28 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 14:10:43 -0400, George Graves said: Given most of this thread's respondents grasp of US law (as witnessed by their inability to understand simple perjury laws) is woefully inadequate, I'd say very few. We're not all the kind of Pharisee you are. No, you're not. You don't know the law, and you don't seem to want to learn it and you don't seem understand the importance of being compelled to tell the truth in a court of law. Whether it's stubbornness that makes you this way, or willful ignorance, or just stupidity is not for me to comment upon, and I won't. I've been a lawyer for 42 years. I just have a different political view than you do. A lawyer, huh? Then maybe you can tell me what either your or my POLITICS have to do with the law? And by the way, sir, remind me not to choose your firm If I ever need legal council. I'd say George that is spot on relevant since we are discussing a POLITICAL sentence communion. Purely political to prevent Scooter from rolling over on the Bush Admin once he gets a taste of prison. Scooter ain't no Ollie North. Ollie was a hard core mercenary, Scoot AIN'T. He would crumble like a cookie as soon as he met Bubba in the shower. I still don't see what his political beliefs or my political beliefs have to do with the law. The President's commutation of Libby's sentence, or any hard pardon that might, eventually, come from this case, has nothing to do with the courts and the law. The courts will either convict of exonerate him and they will sentence him. What the President does AFTER that is a totally different and wholly disconnected act over which the court has no say. But like the Bush Admin has shown over and over, there is a underhanded side to it. Don't you agree if you are commuting a sentence, it should be a case that has NOTHING to do with the person doing the commuting?? That is pretty straight forward. You gotta agree with that. This was done solely to keep Scooter from rolling over on the guy (Bush/Cheney) that commuted the sentence!! That is just wrong, no matter how you cut it. And like with the Federal Attorney scandal. True, they serve at the pleasure of the President. But it's underhanded to fire attorneys that are/going to investigate you. (that is the accusation) Solely to prevent an investigation. That also is wrong, no matter how you cut it. The NeoCONS had better open their eyes and realize, all the CrAzy things they say and do cut both ways.... Like the idiotic NeoCON statement, "How dare you question our leaders during wartime, ya traitor"... Well who is questioning the new leaders in Congress..... The Oozing Hypocrite NeoCONS!! And heaven forbid, Hillary gets elected (uggh), you don't think she will take Bush/Cheney's que, and do the same things. Just fire whoever investigates something she might do. Deny cabinet member/employees to tesitfy or give depositions. Let anyone out of jail that might roll over on her. Cuz you know the NeoCONS are gonna go after her, every minute, every day, every week, she might be in office. NeoCONS just have NO sence of foresight whatsoever. -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
Jason McNorton wrote: In article , says... George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:58:20 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:24:27 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:06:28 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 13:53:32 -0400, George Graves said: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. Is that a threat, or just the empty bluster it looks like? I'm no Republican, but had I been the Judge, Clinton would have done time. Just curious, what about Scooter? Scooter GOT time, but Bush pardoned him. LOLOLOL Oh man...... what happened to ....... It undermines our entire court system if ONE perjurer is allowed to get away with lying under oath, much less the sitting President of the United States. "Do as we say, not as we do", NeoCON/Jesuslander mentality, hummm..... possibly? Did I say that I AGREED with Bush's action? I did not. I was merely pointing out that it has nothing per se to do with the US system of jurisprudence, but its rather a presidential privilege just as a governor has the privilege of granting stays of execution and commuting death sentences to life in prison. You guys should start reading for content instead of looking for NeoCons under every bed... HAHAHAHAHA!! If they had their way, they would be under all our beds!! Keepin us "moral"............ Thankfully, their day in the sun is over. If the REAL Conservatives in the Republican party were smart, they'd form a new party to distance themselves from these people. We need a strong, national, third party anyway because the two parties that we now have have not represented an increasing number of Americans' interests in decades. Agreed!!! I have absolutely no problem with Genuine Conservatives or Genuine Republicans. And agree with more of their policies than Democratic Policies. But for example, HannaBot, O'Riley & OxyRush are neither. Wow! You're one of the 5 million internet guinesses that suddenly get it and hate all politicians! Wow man! Can I get your autograph? Sure thing Jason, 8x10 glossy OK? Nude or non-nude :-) You really show us the light! You figured it all out? HOW?! Amazing. Tell digg and DU and daily kos about this! Ummm... unlike the NeoCON/JesusLanders, the rest of us aren't self proclaimed and proud DITTOHEADS, PFFFFFFTTTT, the rest of us don't need an assigned program to blindly follow or handed a leaky pail to tote. The most dangerous thing to this bunch of NeoCON/Jesuslanders is.... Americans have eyes and ears. Last November sure showed that! Neo/JLs got kicked to the curb and Genuine Republicans stayed in office. This is the kind of leftwing strong thinking we have all been looking for? I wouldn't say anyone needs strong left wing thinking. FWIW Oh, you bash Bush and Republicans? Oh.. And this weakling bunch of Dems........ haven't been following the thread? Hummmm? Or hasn't OxyRush and HannaBot given you permission to yet? LOLOLOL -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:54:33 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:37 -0700, Ric Seyler wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:41:13 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 16:47:13 -0400, George Graves said: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:15:28 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-09 14:10:43 -0400, George Graves said: Given most of this thread's respondents grasp of US law (as witnessed by their inability to understand simple perjury laws) is woefully inadequate, I'd say very few. We're not all the kind of Pharisee you are. No, you're not. You don't know the law, and you don't seem to want to learn it and you don't seem understand the importance of being compelled to tell the truth in a court of law. Whether it's stubbornness that makes you this way, or willful ignorance, or just stupidity is not for me to comment upon, and I won't. I've been a lawyer for 42 years. I just have a different political view than you do. A lawyer, huh? Then maybe you can tell me what either your or my POLITICS have to do with the law? And by the way, sir, remind me not to choose your firm If I ever need legal council. I'd say George that is spot on relevant since we are discussing a POLITICAL sentence communion. Purely political to prevent Scooter from rolling over on the Bush Admin once he gets a taste of prison. Scooter ain't no Ollie North. Ollie was a hard core mercenary, Scoot AIN'T. He would crumble like a cookie as soon as he met Bubba in the shower. I still don't see what his political beliefs or my political beliefs have to do with the law. The President's commutation of Libby's sentence, or any hard pardon that might, eventually, come from this case, has nothing to do with the courts and the law. The courts will either convict of exonerate him and they will sentence him. What the President does AFTER that is a totally different and wholly disconnected act over which the court has no say. But like the Bush Admin has shown over and over, there is a underhanded side to it. Don't you agree if you are commuting a sentence, it should be a case that has NOTHING to do with the person doing the commuting?? That is pretty straight forward. You gotta agree with that. This was done solely to keep Scooter from rolling over on the guy (Bush/Cheney) that commuted the sentence!! That is just wrong, no matter how you cut it. I agree, but then I have never indicated that I didn't agree. And like with the Federal Attorney scandal. True, they serve at the pleasure of the President. But it's underhanded to fire attorneys that are/going to investigate you. (that is the accusation) Solely to prevent an investigation. That also is wrong, no matter how you cut it. Yep. And believe me, the presidential privilege was not instituted for the reason it is being used. But Bush isn't the first sitting president to abuse it. Look into Clinton's pardons (and Reagan's). |
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