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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
On 16 May, 22:29, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On 16 May 2010 19:24:48 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote: O'Donovan, PJ, Himself wrote: On May 16, 8:19*am, John Rennie wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...o-israelis-thi.... The Jewish rage against Obama's betrayal is not exclusive to Israeli Jews Isreal attacks other nations, Israel has been attacked by other nations over and over, since the very first day Israel was established. *The Jews of Israel learned more than 60 years ago that _turning the other cheek_ is not going to protect them from attempts at extermination. The pan-Arab Islamic movement of Hamas has the basic principle stated in its charter that -- "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this Hadith: "The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, *would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim)." kills people by the hundreds Islam - in the pursuit of destroying the Jews - has murdered thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians throughout the world. *Including, obviously, 3,000 souls murdered in 9/11. *What would you have done to protect Jews from persecution and anti-Semitism in the past 60 years? *Do you support the extermination of all Jews in Israel? (including Americans), rejects UN resolutions condemning its ongoing human rights violations, and costs the US billions of dollars a year. Islamic elements in the middle-east have rejected UN resolution 181 for more than 60 years, and continue to blame the plight of their brother Arabs in what was the Arab State of the Palestinian Mandate upon the Jews, while distancing themselves from providing any economic help to those brother Arabs. *Instead using those brother Arabs as cannon-fodder to blame their economic plight upon the Jews. *While Israel has opened its arms to persecuted Jews around the world. That is Israeli betrayal. *Israel is no ally of the US. Israel is the ONLY ally the U.S. has in the middle-east. *That is called FACT!!! Planet Visitor IIhttp://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/dictionary.html Excellent, PV. From another place a post that may enlighten some of the dwellers in darkness. ****This is from Abba Eban’s autiobiography and it gives an interesting insight into the state of affairs between Arabs and Jews before the state of Israel and into the Arab mindset which perpetuates this conflict: “..but the British Middle Eastern experts, including Beeley and Martin Charteris, told me that the UNSCOP report in their view was of secondary importance; the issue would have to be decided by war, not by reports. Whether or not the General Assembly adopted the report, they said, the Arabs would fight. The Jewish State would only come into existence if it could resist the Arab assault. “….[Sir Reginald Coupland] told us that the UNSCOP proposals had endorsed his own ideas while adjusting them to contemporary conditions. He thought that our victory had been achieved in the nick of time. Anti-semitism was growing in the world, now that Hitler had punctured the myth of Jewish omnipotence. (emphasis mine) Whatever the Jewish people did not achieve now, while the world’s conscience was still wounded, would become unattainable in the more cynical atmosphere which would soon prevail. Coupland reminded us of what he had told Weitzmann and me many times before. We should be aware of the “unitary illusion” – the illusion that two peoples who held none of the purposes in life in common, could be forced by institutional compulsion to form a single statehood. In the case of Palestine, partition was even more compelling than in India. There might have to be argument about boundaries, but we should never let the partition principle drop from our minds. It was the only concept that reflected historic reality. “Palestine” as a single entity was a geographical fiction. It was the duality of national personalities that counted……. “A moment of climax in this part of my political career came in a discussion in which I took part, together with Horowitz and John Kimche with Abdul Rahman Azzam Pasha, the Secretary-General of the Arab League. In those days the Arab League had a more central position in Arab diplomacy than now and Azzam could accurately be regarded as the central figure in Arab nationalism. “…. We met in the Savoy Hotel with the London traffic booming a few yards away. Horowitz and I sat on each side of Azzam while Kimche, who had initiated the meeting, introduced us with full tribute to our qualities. We spoke proudly but cautiously of our success with UNSCOP, predicting that the General Assembly would ratify its conclusions that that Jewish statehood was now firmly on the international map. Horowitz and I stressed a single theme, each in his own style and voice: would it not be better for Arabs to work out a plan, instead of clinging to vain resistance, so that we might live in co-operation and compromise? Azzam’s reply was courteous but firm: ‘The Arab world is not in a compromising temper.’ And then, without hesitation: ‘Get one thing into your heads. You will not get anything by compromise or peaceful means. You may perhaps get something, if not all, by force of arms.’ “I pointed out that even if there was a war, we would not disappear. We would have to meet afterwards to negotiate. ‘Since negotiation would have to take place after the war,’ I said, ‘why not have negotiation before and instead of the war?’ ” ‘ You are too rational,’ Azzam replied. ‘The Arab World regards the Jewish as invaders. It is going to fight you. War is absolutely inevitable. If you win the war you will get your state. If you get your state by winning a war, you have a chance that the Arabs will one day have to accept it, although that is not certain. But do not consider for a single moment that you will ever have a chance of our accepting you in advance. This is a question of historic pride. There is no shame in being compelled by force to accept an unjust and undesirable situation. It is shameful to accept such a fact without attempting to prevent it. This conflict has its roots deep in history. There will have to be a decision and the decision will have to be by force.’ ” (emphasis mine) (Source: “Abba Eban: An Autobiography”, pp 85-86) Now in case anyone happening by who is blindly anti-Israel because he/ she has no knowledge of the roots of the the conflict and therefore attempts to excuse the Arab approach (the aversion to compromise is well documented in Tarek Heggy’s writing) or to say that the Jews were warned beforehand, I would like them to answer the following question: what sort of lunacy has such people actually choosing war over compromise and ultimately a peace which will benefit them? Abba Eban, arguably one of Israel’s greatest statesmen, is on record of offering peaceable discussion and compromise before the first war that the Arabs started and lost, which attempted to wipe Israel out. And yet the Arabs did this again and again, each time getting more and more weakened in the process. What stops them learning from experience?**** |
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
On 16 May, 22:37, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ariadne wrote: On 16 May, 20:27, (Ray Fischer) wrote: Ariadne wrote: On 16 May, 14:20, GLOBALIST wrote: On May 16, 7:48*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: On May 16, 8:19*am, John Rennie wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...o-israelis-thi... The Jewish rage against Obama's betrayal is not exclusive to Israeli Jews Jews Against Obama wwwjtf.org "Too little, too late. But better than never, I guess. The word for describing the way a growing number of American Jews feel about Barack Obama is not ‘anger’ but ‘rage’ – white-hot rage... David Goldman, Senior Editor of First Things magazine and ‘Spengler’ columnist for Asia Times Online, spoke last week at a convention on intellectuals and terror at Ariel University in Samaria. In his lecture, he quoted a top Jewish campaign donor who used the word ‘sociopath’ to describe Obama. In an interview with Israel National News, he predicted a possibly dramatic ‘train wreck’ for the Democrats in the November mid-term elections, with Jewish fundraising for Democrats drying up and a possibly high turnout of anti-Obama evangelical Christians..." The government of Israel does not pay our bills. Rubbish. Israel Aid Pays U.S. Dividends That Exceed Cost: Steve Rothman Commentary by Steve Rothman Thus, the US does indeed give billions a year to Israel. April 7 (Bloomberg) -- The argument that American military aid to Israel is damaging to the U.S. is not only erroneous, Look at the situation in the mideast. All achieved by Muslim Arabs. You blame the victims just like every other immoral turd. -- You may just be ignorant and bigoted but I suspect you're a barbarian. Not worth my time. |
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
Ariadne wrote:
On 16 May, 22:37, (Ray Fischer) wrote: Ariadne wrote: On 16 May, 21:46, Ariadne wrote: On 16 May, 20:27, (Ray Fischer) wrote: Ariadne wrote: On 16 May, 14:20, GLOBALIST wrote: On May 16, 7:48*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: On May 16, 8:19*am, John Rennie wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...o-israelis-thi... The Jewish rage against Obama's betrayal is not exclusive to Israeli Jews Jews Against Obama wwwjtf.org "Too little, too late. But better than never, I guess. The word for describing the way a growing number of American Jews feel about Barack Obama is not ‘anger’ but ‘rage’ – white-hot rage... David Goldman, Senior Editor of First Things magazine and ‘Spengler’ columnist for Asia Times Online, spoke last week at a convention on intellectuals and terror at Ariel University in Samaria. In his lecture, he quoted a top Jewish campaign donor who used the word ‘sociopath’ to describe Obama. In an interview with Israel National News, he predicted a possibly dramatic ‘train wreck’ for the Democrats in the November mid-term elections, with Jewish fundraising for Democrats drying up and a possibly high turnout of anti-Obama evangelical Christians..." The government of Israel does not pay our bills. Rubbish. Israel Aid Pays U.S. Dividends That Exceed Cost: Steve Rothman Commentary by Steve Rothman Thus, the US does indeed give billions a year to Israel. April 7 (Bloomberg) -- The argument that American military aid to Israel is damaging to the U.S. is not only erroneous, Look at the situation in the mideast. All achieved by Muslim Arabs. Nothing to be proud of and a ghastly return on Western taxpayers' largesse. Israel invents a lot of currently-used technology. And that justifies apartheid? The Nazi lie. And there is the refuge of the murderous bigot. Just as Hitler loved to accuse Jews of all manner of evil, this neonazi asshole has to smear when the truth isn't what he wants to believe. That justifies murder? Another Nazi lie. Yours, nazi turd. -- Ray Fischer |
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
The Jerusalem Post ticker is reporting that Chomsky is being denied
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
Planet Visitor II wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote: O'Donovan, PJ, Himself wrote: On May 16, 8:19*am, John Rennie wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...o-israelis-thi... The Jewish rage against Obama's betrayal is not exclusive to Israeli Jews Isreal attacks other nations, Israel has been attacked by other nations over and over, I say you're a stinking liar. No nation has attacked Israel since 1967. Since then Israel has attacked Iraq and Lebanon, killing over a thousand people, and routinely assassinates Palestinians and kills innocent civilians. kills people by the hundreds Islam - in the pursuit of destroying the Jews - has murdered thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians throughout the world. "[Judaism] - in the pursuit of destroying the [Muslim] - has murdered thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians throughout the world." You're a neonazi bigot. -- Ray Fischer |
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?— Muslim Sociopath!!!
On 16 May, 20:32, "
wrote: On May 16, 9:57*am, GLOBALIST wrote: On May 16, 8:32*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: Biggest Jewish contributors throw Obama under the bus, call him a “SOCIOPATH” "...Obama gave assurances (lies) to the Jewish community which were so persuasive that Martin Peretz announced in his ‘Spine’ blog that Obama could be trusted. Obama has extraordinary gifts of persuasion, and has been profligate about employing them. He persuaded some very wealthy and sophisticated people that he was on their side, and then turned on them....." President Obama has been very very exact from day one, that he was not going to ignore Israel's war crimes. * Ø Well globalist jackass There have been plenty of * * war crimes perpetrated by Transjordan, Syria, * * Iran, including their paramilitary agents Hizballah * * and HAMAS. Ø Globalist doesn't have a first clue. But he does * * go out of his way to praise fascists like the * * Muslim Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama. Ø "Know not that a lie is not haram (wrong) in itself, but * * only because the evil conclusions to which it leads the * * hearer, making him believe something that is not really * * the case...if a lie is the only way of obtaining a good * * result, it is permissible...We must lie when truth leads * * to unpleasant results." * * * 11th cent Moslem Theologean al-Ghazzali Ø It is evident that Obama follows in Gazzali's footsteps * * and has in his entire career. To avoid getting caught * * too often, he refuses to release his real birth certificate * * his education vitae, and anything else that could reflect * * poorly on his integrity. * * Obama lies like a persian carpet Lovely sentence! —*— * *Political correctness is destroying Europe. * *America will be the next down the PC tube * *greased by academic idiots like Scott Erb, * *Noam Chumpsky, and Ward Churchill, * *Slick Willy & Hilly, Algore & Pelosi, and * *Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama, too. |
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
Ray Fischer wrote:
Planet Visitor II wrote: (Ray Fischer) wrote: O'Donovan, PJ, Himself wrote: On May 16, 8:19 am, John Rennie wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...o-israelis-thi... The Jewish rage against Obama's betrayal is not exclusive to Israeli Jews Isreal attacks other nations, Israel has been attacked by other nations over and over, I say you're a stinking liar. No nation has attacked Israel since 1967. Don't forget the attack on Egypt in 1956. Since then Israel has attacked Iraq and Lebanon, killing over a thousand people, and routinely assassinates Palestinians and kills innocent civilians. kills people by the hundreds Islam - in the pursuit of destroying the Jews - has murdered thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians throughout the world. "[Judaism] - in the pursuit of destroying the [Muslim] - has murdered thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians throughout the world." You're a neonazi bigot. |
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
Ariadne wrote in
: On 16 May, 20:24, (Ray Fischer) wrote: O'Donovan, PJ, Himself wrote: On May 16, 8:19*am, John Rennie wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...do-israelis-th i.. . The Jewish rage against Obama's betrayal is not exclusive to Israeli Jews Isreal attacks other nations, kills people by the hundreds (including Americans), rejects UN resolutions condemning its ongoing human rights violations, and costs the US billions of dollars a year. That is Israeli betrayal. *Israel is no ally of the US. -- Ray Fischer * * * * * You are an idiot and a liar! Actually it is a good point. What has Israel done for the US? Has it sent troops to help the US in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Bosnia? Has it sent money to help out with earthquake relief in Haiti or Chili? Does Israel even have a foriegn program? |
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What do the Israelis think of Obama?
Ariadne wrote:
On 16 May, 22:37, (Ray Fischer) wrote: Ariadne wrote: On 16 May, 20:27, (Ray Fischer) wrote: Ariadne wrote: On 16 May, 14:20, GLOBALIST wrote: On May 16, 7:48*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: On May 16, 8:19*am, John Rennie wrote: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...o-israelis-thi... The Jewish rage against Obama's betrayal is not exclusive to Israeli Jews Jews Against Obama wwwjtf.org "Too little, too late. But better than never, I guess. The word for describing the way a growing number of American Jews feel about Barack Obama is not ‘anger’ but ‘rage’ – white-hot rage... David Goldman, Senior Editor of First Things magazine and ‘Spengler’ columnist for Asia Times Online, spoke last week at a convention on intellectuals and terror at Ariel University in Samaria. In his lecture, he quoted a top Jewish campaign donor who used the word ‘sociopath’ to describe Obama. In an interview with Israel National News, he predicted a possibly dramatic ‘train wreck’ for the Democrats in the November mid-term elections, with Jewish fundraising for Democrats drying up and a possibly high turnout of anti-Obama evangelical Christians..." The government of Israel does not pay our bills. Rubbish. Israel Aid Pays U.S. Dividends That Exceed Cost: Steve Rothman Commentary by Steve Rothman Thus, the US does indeed give billions a year to Israel. April 7 (Bloomberg) -- The argument that American military aid to Israel is damaging to the U.S. is not only erroneous, Look at the situation in the mideast. All achieved by Muslim Arabs. You blame the victims just like every other immoral turd. You may just be ignorant You may be a Muslim-hating neonazi bigot. The fact that you run away from uncomfortable truths is strong evidence for that. -- Ray Fischer |
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