I recently had the worst moules-frites in the world...

Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:20:45 +0200 schrieb Martin:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:34:13 +0200, Frank Hucklenbroich
wrote:

Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It was a
first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find it to
risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you seroiusly ill,
if one of them is bad (botulism).

Mussel production has changed since the days of your grandfather,
Frank.

Thats true. Then again, I live in Cologne, Germany, which is a bit away
from the coast, so the mussels we get to buy here have already travelled
for some hours. When you buy them they are still alive (I'm not talking
about frozen food here), you put them in cold water and they should open,
if they stay closed they are already dead and not good anymore.

In Restaurants (mostly pubs) here in Cologne it is still a typical
winter-food, they won't serve you mussels in summer. When mussels are
available (in the cold months) you'll find signs outside the pubs
announcing it.

Mussels are filterers. Many things in them can make you ill, not just
botulism.

Right.

Regards,

Frank

On 06/05/2012 03:52 PM, Bill wrote:
In , Hucklenbroich01
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Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It was a
first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find it to
risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you seroiusly ill,
if one of them is bad (botulism).

I suppose it depends on what you call 'warm'.

Shellfish is eaten in tropical countries in temperatures that are never
achieved in a European summer.


Yes but eaten just hours after they are caught.

On 06/05/2012 03:34 PM, Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It was a
first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find it to
risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you seroiusly ill,
if one of them is bad (botulism).

Regards,

Frank

... and algal poisoning. Algal blooms are prevalent in summer months.
The following list will put you off eating shellfish for life..

http://www.whoi.edu/science/B/redtid...s/illness.html

Tom P wrote:

On 06/05/2012 03:52 PM, Bill wrote:
In , Hucklenbroich01
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Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It was a
first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find it to
risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you seroiusly ill,
if one of them is bad (botulism).

I suppose it depends on what you call 'warm'.

Shellfish is eaten in tropical countries in temperatures that are never
achieved in a European summer.


Yes but eaten just hours after they are caught.

Or frozen- they have such things in tropical countries too.

David

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On 06/06/2012 08:44 PM, David Horne wrote:
Tom wrote:

On 06/05/2012 03:52 PM, Bill wrote:
In , Hucklenbroich01
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Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It was a
first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find it to
risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you seroiusly ill,
if one of them is bad (botulism).

I suppose it depends on what you call 'warm'.

Shellfish is eaten in tropical countries in temperatures that are never
achieved in a European summer.


Yes but eaten just hours after they are caught.

Or frozen- they have such things in tropical countries too.

David

I noticed in Mexico the best ceviche restaurants only open at lunchtime.
What you get served was caught the night before.

Tom P wrote:

On 06/06/2012 08:44 PM, David Horne wrote:
Tom wrote:

On 06/05/2012 03:52 PM, Bill wrote:
In , Hucklenbroich01
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Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It
was a first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find
it to risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you
seroiusly ill, if one of them is bad (botulism).

I suppose it depends on what you call 'warm'.

Shellfish is eaten in tropical countries in temperatures that are never
achieved in a European summer.


Yes but eaten just hours after they are caught.

Or frozen- they have such things in tropical countries too.

David

I noticed in Mexico the best ceviche restaurants only open at lunchtime.
What you get served was caught the night before.

Best Mexican ceviche restaurants? That's not a high bar.

The dish (which rarely has shellfish) most likely originates in Peru and
I much prefer it there than when I've had in Mexico, and in the former
they have no problem buying the fish in the morning, keeping it in the
fridge, then preparing it in the evening.

A lot of good seadfood survives very well when frozen. I bet most people
dining in Mediterranean resorts enjoy their 'fresh' fish and I have to
say, depending on the dish, I often find it hard to tell the
difference...

David

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www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

Martin wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:36:42 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:
[]
A lot of good seadfood survives very well when frozen. I bet most people
dining in Mediterranean resorts enjoy their 'fresh' fish and I have to
say, depending on the dish, I often find it hard to tell the
difference...

The frozen fish usually tastes fresher.

I'm sure you're right. Unless I was having sashimi or ceviche (you would
be able to tell from the texture) I doubt I could tell the difference...

I buy frozen unshelled shrimp all the time and they're delicious. Not
sure why I'd expect extra from a restaurant...

David

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

Martin wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:55:21 +0200, Tom P wrote:
[]
I noticed in Mexico the best ceviche restaurants only open at lunchtime.
What you get served was caught the night before.

I wish I could say the same in Holland.

Well sort of... what you get served was _ordered_ the night before.

David

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:29:12 +0200, Tom P wrote:

On 06/05/2012 03:34 PM, Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It was a
first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find it to
risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you seroiusly ill,
if one of them is bad (botulism).

Regards,

Frank

.. and algal poisoning. Algal blooms are prevalent in summer months.
The following list will put you off eating shellfish for life..

http://www.whoi.edu/science/B/redtid...s/illness.html

You are right, a bout of shellfish poison in Holland
put me off for life, that was in the 1950s. Never
touch them again.

Who cares what you did in the 50's...

Except vogtgamble who was already 90 years old.

Duh.

"Irwell" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:29:12 +0200, Tom P wrote:

On 06/05/2012 03:34 PM, Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
Am Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:49:05 +0000 schrieb Maurice ON4BAM:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:36:00 +0100, (David Horne)
wrote:

I don't know where they were from, except they were disgusting. It was
a
first for me... just glad we didn't pay.

It's not "mussel season" yet. Try again in about 6-8 weeks time.
There's an old saying here that mussels are only to be eaten in moths
that have an "R" in them.

That's how I learned it from my grandfather. I personally would find it
to
risky to eat mussels in the warm season, as it can make you seroiusly
ill,
if one of them is bad (botulism).

Regards,

Frank

.. and algal poisoning. Algal blooms are prevalent in summer months.
The following list will put you off eating shellfish for life..

http://www.whoi.edu/science/B/redtid...s/illness.html

You are right, a bout of shellfish poison in Holland
put me off for life, that was in the 1950s. Never
touch them again.