life after Windows....

In article , Mxsmanic
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William Black writes:

Never heard of a motor car being recalled for an in service modification?

Mine was, twice...

It has never happened to me.

Perhaps they programmed you to forget ...
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Roger Hunt

Mxsmanic wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax writes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_rot

Software rot depends on change. If nothing change, no "rot" occurs.

The same is true of life

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

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erilar writes:

I did for my GPS.

I didn't ask about your GPS (which suffers from much the same defects as
computers), I asked about a microwave oven.


Embedded systems (GPS or Microwaves) are not the same as PC's

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Chris H writes:

Embedded systems (GPS or Microwaves) are not the same as PC's

I wasn't talking about embedded systems, either. I was talking about a
microwave oven as a complete product. It requires no technical support, and
you don't have to "update" it to keep it working.

Consumers tolerate things among computer companies that would lead them to
riot with any other type of product. I wonder how long it will take for them
to wise up.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

erilar writes:

I did for my GPS.

I didn't ask about your GPS (which suffers from much the same defects as
computers), I asked about a microwave oven.

Mine is second-hand and slow, but it works. I've had to replace a
stove(which needed repairs a few times) and refrigerator, though.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo

In message , Mxsmanic
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Chris H writes:

Embedded systems (GPS or Microwaves) are not the same as PC's

I wasn't talking about embedded systems, either. I was talking about a
microwave oven as a complete product.

That is an embedded system as is a GPS and their software is developed
to a higher standard than PC apps. On the other hand it is only designed
to run on one specific piece of hardware. That is their strength. It is
also the strong point for most MACs. Apple controlled both the hardware
and the software.

For Windows it can get installed on a vast array of different
motherboards with different MCU, disk and memory configurations as well
as a huge array of additional cards... though these days there are fewer
people plugging cards into PCs compared to the past.

It requires no technical support, and
you don't have to "update" it to keep it working.

This is not completely true. Several systems I have (washing machine,
dish washer and ovens) can be updated. As can most cars.

Consumers tolerate things among computer companies that would lead them to
riot with any other type of product.

That I agree with. Most embedded systems have far better software than
PC applications

I wonder how long it will take for them
to wise up.

They don't
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Chris H writes:

That is an embedded system as is a GPS and their software is developed
to a higher standard than PC apps.

So why is PC software written to a lower standard?

For Windows it can get installed on a vast array of different
motherboards with different MCU, disk and memory configurations as well
as a huge array of additional cards... though these days there are fewer
people plugging cards into PCs compared to the past.

And when they do plug cards in, they are a lot more likely to work
immediately.

This is not completely true. Several systems I have (washing machine,
dish washer and ovens) can be updated. As can most cars.

What sorts of updates do you load into your washing machine and oven?

In message , Mxsmanic
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Chris H writes:

That is an embedded system as is a GPS and their software is developed
to a higher standard than PC apps.

So why is PC software written to a lower standard?

Commercial necessity and lack of discipline

For Windows it can get installed on a vast array of different
motherboards with different MCU, disk and memory configurations as well
as a huge array of additional cards... though these days there are fewer
people plugging cards into PCs compared to the past.

And when they do plug cards in, they are a lot more likely to work
immediately.

Usually they work because there are SW drivers supplied with them as
Window is an open architecture with defined interfaces.

This is not completely true. Several systems I have (washing machine,
dish washer and ovens) can be updated. As can most cars.

What sorts of updates do you load into your washing machine and oven?

I don't the service people do. Not often but they can had have done.

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In article , Chris H
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In message , Mxsmanic
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What sorts of updates do you load into your washing machine and oven?

I don't the service people do. Not often but they can had have done.

The mind boggles ...
Are these updates free?
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Roger Hunt

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In article , Chris H
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In message , Mxsmanic
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What sorts of updates do you load into your washing machine and oven?

I don't the service people do. Not often but they can had have done.

The mind boggles ...
Are these updates free?
Usually

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