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Cheap air travel within europe
"Spectacular" advice once again! I'll play with the time tables and
see how it may work over the next few weeks. Tim K "Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... In message , Martin Stock writes "Tim Kroesen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag nk.net... On a side note; would you please describe what you feel are the most scenic train routes through the Alps from Germany to Italy. I'll be traveling South from somewhere (probably Munich) in Germany through to Rome over the course of 3/4 days in late May. Switzerland detour is fine with me also; even private rail to ski areas; I want to see the best of the Alps possible from the train so daytime train itineraries please! Tim K Swiss Railways SBB scenic routes http://www.rail.ch/pv/sts-pano_e.htm The fastest route from Munich to Italy is via Innsbruck (Austria) and the Brenner pass to Bozen/Bolzano. The fastest route from Munich through Switzerland would be Munich - Lindau - Bregenz (east side of Lake Constance) - Zürich (northern end of the yellow line). change train in Zürich From Zürich rather straight on the east side of Lake Lucerne (this route is not on this map), from there following the brown line to Lugano. Alternatively, for a slower, but I think even more spectacular route, follow the above route as far as Bregenz (or St Margarethen on the Swiss side of the border if the train stops there), then travel to Sargans (local train from St Margarethen, or via Feldkirch if travelling on the Austrian side -- the Feldkirch - Sargans train passes through Liechtenstein but doesn't stop there, if you want to cross off another country!). From Sargans the SBB runs intercity trains to Chur where the narrow-gauge Rhätische Bahn connects -- you may be able to catch a direct train to Tirano in Italy (Bernina Express), or have to take a St Moritz train and change in Samedan and Pontresina. From Tirano you can get a mainline train to Milano, -- Arwel Parry http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/ |
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"Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... In message , Martin Stock writes "Tim Kroesen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag nk.net... On a side note; would you please describe what you feel are the most scenic train routes through the Alps from Germany to Italy. I'll be traveling South from somewhere (probably Munich) in Germany through to Rome over the course of 3/4 days in late May. Switzerland detour is fine with me also; even private rail to ski areas; I want to see the best of the Alps possible from the train so daytime train itineraries please! Tim K Swiss Railways SBB scenic routes http://www.rail.ch/pv/sts-pano_e.htm The fastest route from Munich to Italy is via Innsbruck (Austria) and the Brenner pass to Bozen/Bolzano. The fastest route from Munich through Switzerland would be Munich - Lindau - Bregenz (east side of Lake Constance) - Zürich (northern end of the yellow line). change train in Zürich From Zürich rather straight on the east side of Lake Lucerne (this route is not on this map), from there following the brown line to Lugano. Alternatively, for a slower, but I think even more spectacular route, follow the above route as far as Bregenz (or St Margarethen on the Swiss side of the border if the train stops there), then travel to Sargans (local train from St Margarethen, or via Feldkirch if travelling on the Austrian side -- the Feldkirch - Sargans train passes through Liechtenstein but doesn't stop there, if you want to cross off another country!). From Sargans the SBB runs intercity trains to Chur where the narrow-gauge Rhätische Bahn connects -- you may be able to catch a direct train to Tirano in Italy (Bernina Express), or have to take a St Moritz train and change in Samedan and Pontresina. From Tirano you can get a mainline train to Milano, That is a truly magnificent route! Doable in a day, though? I rather doubt it. If taking two days, travel Munich-Innsbruck leg via Garmisch, rather than the main line (slower, more spectacular, IMO) Tony |
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In message , Tony Day
writes "Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... In message , Martin Stock writes "Tim Kroesen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag nk.net... On a side note; would you please describe what you feel are the most scenic train routes through the Alps from Germany to Italy. I'll be traveling South from somewhere (probably Munich) in Germany through to Rome over the course of 3/4 days in late May. Switzerland detour is fine with me also; even private rail to ski areas; I want to see the best of the Alps possible from the train so daytime train itineraries please! Tim K Swiss Railways SBB scenic routes http://www.rail.ch/pv/sts-pano_e.htm The fastest route from Munich to Italy is via Innsbruck (Austria) and the Brenner pass to Bozen/Bolzano. The fastest route from Munich through Switzerland would be Munich - Lindau - Bregenz (east side of Lake Constance) - Zürich (northern end of the yellow line). change train in Zürich From Zürich rather straight on the east side of Lake Lucerne (this route is not on this map), from there following the brown line to Lugano. Alternatively, for a slower, but I think even more spectacular route, follow the above route as far as Bregenz (or St Margarethen on the Swiss side of the border if the train stops there), then travel to Sargans (local train from St Margarethen, or via Feldkirch if travelling on the Austrian side -- the Feldkirch - Sargans train passes through Liechtenstein but doesn't stop there, if you want to cross off another country!). From Sargans the SBB runs intercity trains to Chur where the narrow-gauge Rhätische Bahn connects -- you may be able to catch a direct train to Tirano in Italy (Bernina Express), or have to take a St Moritz train and change in Samedan and Pontresina. From Tirano you can get a mainline train to Milano, That is a truly magnificent route! Doable in a day, though? I rather doubt it. If taking two days, travel Munich-Innsbruck leg via Garmisch, rather than the main line (slower, more spectacular, IMO) For next Monday, from bahn.hafas.de, but you have to input the route in stages to get these times! München Hbf 16.02.04 dep 08:12 EC 196 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 arr 10:53 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 dep 11:31 RE 2811 Chur 16.02.04 arr 12:38 Chur 16.02.04 dep 12:54 D 545 Samedan 16.02.04 arr 14:41 Samedan 16.02.04 dep 14:48 RB 745 Pontresina 16.02.04 arr 14:55 Pontresina 16.02.04 dep 15:03 RB 445 Tirano 16.02.04 arr 17:11 Tirano 16.02.04 dep 18:56 2605 Milano Centrale 16.02.04 arr 21:30 -- Arwel Parry http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/ |
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"Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... In message , Tony Day writes "Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... In message , Martin Stock writes "Tim Kroesen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag nk.net... On a side note; would you please describe what you feel are the most scenic train routes through the Alps from Germany to Italy. I'll be traveling South from somewhere (probably Munich) in Germany through to Rome over the course of 3/4 days in late May. Switzerland detour is fine with me also; even private rail to ski areas; I want to see the best of the Alps possible from the train so daytime train itineraries please! Tim K Swiss Railways SBB scenic routes http://www.rail.ch/pv/sts-pano_e.htm The fastest route from Munich to Italy is via Innsbruck (Austria) and the Brenner pass to Bozen/Bolzano. The fastest route from Munich through Switzerland would be Munich - Lindau - Bregenz (east side of Lake Constance) - Zürich (northern end of the yellow line). change train in Zürich From Zürich rather straight on the east side of Lake Lucerne (this route is not on this map), from there following the brown line to Lugano. Alternatively, for a slower, but I think even more spectacular route, follow the above route as far as Bregenz (or St Margarethen on the Swiss side of the border if the train stops there), then travel to Sargans (local train from St Margarethen, or via Feldkirch if travelling on the Austrian side -- the Feldkirch - Sargans train passes through Liechtenstein but doesn't stop there, if you want to cross off another country!). From Sargans the SBB runs intercity trains to Chur where the narrow-gauge Rhätische Bahn connects -- you may be able to catch a direct train to Tirano in Italy (Bernina Express), or have to take a St Moritz train and change in Samedan and Pontresina. From Tirano you can get a mainline train to Milano, That is a truly magnificent route! Doable in a day, though? I rather doubt it. If taking two days, travel Munich-Innsbruck leg via Garmisch, rather than the main line (slower, more spectacular, IMO) For next Monday, from bahn.hafas.de, but you have to input the route in stages to get these times! München Hbf 16.02.04 dep 08:12 EC 196 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 arr 10:53 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 dep 11:31 RE 2811 Chur 16.02.04 arr 12:38 Chur 16.02.04 dep 12:54 D 545 Samedan 16.02.04 arr 14:41 Samedan 16.02.04 dep 14:48 RB 745 Pontresina 16.02.04 arr 14:55 Pontresina 16.02.04 dep 15:03 RB 445 Tirano 16.02.04 arr 17:11 Tirano 16.02.04 dep 18:56 2605 Milano Centrale 16.02.04 arr 21:30 I take my hat off to you, sir! (And my diversion was irrelevant, I didn't read the start of the route well enough) Tony |
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In message , Tony Day
writes "Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... For next Monday, from bahn.hafas.de, but you have to input the route in stages to get these times! München Hbf 16.02.04 dep 08:12 EC 196 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 arr 10:53 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 dep 11:31 RE 2811 Chur 16.02.04 arr 12:38 Chur 16.02.04 dep 12:54 D 545 Samedan 16.02.04 arr 14:41 Samedan 16.02.04 dep 14:48 RB 745 Pontresina 16.02.04 arr 14:55 Pontresina 16.02.04 dep 15:03 RB 445 Tirano 16.02.04 arr 17:11 Tirano 16.02.04 dep 18:56 2605 Milano Centrale 16.02.04 arr 21:30 I take my hat off to you, sir! (And my diversion was irrelevant, I didn't read the start of the route well enough) Actually, it _is_ possible to include your diversion in a very long day! München Hbf 16.02.04 dep 06:30 RB 5407 Innsbruck Hbf 16.02.04 arr 09:21 Innsbruck Hbf 16.02.04 dep 10:49 OEC 562 Feldkirch 16.02.04 arr 12:45 Feldkirch 16.02.04 dep 13:03 D 442 Sargans 16.02.04 arr 13:37 Sargans 16.02.04 dep 13:42 RB 7849 Chur 16.02.04 arr 14:04 Chur 16.02.04 dep 14:54 D 555 Samedan 16.02.04 arr 16:41 Samedan 16.02.04 dep 16:48 RB 755 Pontresina 16.02.04 arr 16:55 Pontresina 16.02.04 dep 17:03 RB 455 Tirano 16.02.04 arr 19:11 Tirano 16.02.04 dep 20:28 R 5297 Sondrio 16.02.04 arr 21:02 Sondrio 16.02.04 dep 21:27 2609 Milano Centrale 16.02.04 arr 23:55 -- Arwel Parry http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/ |
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"Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... In message , Tony Day writes "Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... For next Monday, from bahn.hafas.de, but you have to input the route in stages to get these times! München Hbf 16.02.04 dep 08:12 EC 196 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 arr 10:53 St. Margrethen 16.02.04 dep 11:31 RE 2811 Chur 16.02.04 arr 12:38 Chur 16.02.04 dep 12:54 D 545 Samedan 16.02.04 arr 14:41 Samedan 16.02.04 dep 14:48 RB 745 Pontresina 16.02.04 arr 14:55 Pontresina 16.02.04 dep 15:03 RB 445 Tirano 16.02.04 arr 17:11 Tirano 16.02.04 dep 18:56 2605 Milano Centrale 16.02.04 arr 21:30 I take my hat off to you, sir! (And my diversion was irrelevant, I didn't read the start of the route well enough) Actually, it _is_ possible to include your diversion in a very long day! München Hbf 16.02.04 dep 06:30 RB 5407 Innsbruck Hbf 16.02.04 arr 09:21 Innsbruck Hbf 16.02.04 dep 10:49 OEC 562 Feldkirch 16.02.04 arr 12:45 Feldkirch 16.02.04 dep 13:03 D 442 Sargans 16.02.04 arr 13:37 Sargans 16.02.04 dep 13:42 RB 7849 Chur 16.02.04 arr 14:04 Chur 16.02.04 dep 14:54 D 555 Samedan 16.02.04 arr 16:41 Samedan 16.02.04 dep 16:48 RB 755 Pontresina 16.02.04 arr 16:55 Pontresina 16.02.04 dep 17:03 RB 455 Tirano 16.02.04 arr 19:11 Tirano 16.02.04 dep 20:28 R 5297 Sondrio 16.02.04 arr 21:02 Sondrio 16.02.04 dep 21:27 2609 Milano Centrale 16.02.04 arr 23:55 -- Arwel Parry I take my other hat off as well! A few more hats, and I will be btotally exposed to the elements! Garmisch is good, then, yeah? But the above sched should not be done in winter - it would be a crime not to see the Bernina in daylight. OTOH it's marvellous in snow. Springtime? And beware the polizia on Centrale at dead of night. They zoom about in this funny little cart thing with a flashing light on a pole! Highly amusing and terribly photogenic. But don't go there - they get VERY upset! I only just managed to retain the camera, never mind the film! Oops... Tony |
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In message , Tony Day
writes "Arwel Parry" wrote in message ... Actually, it _is_ possible to include your diversion in a very long day! München Hbf 16.02.04 dep 06:30 RB 5407 Innsbruck Hbf 16.02.04 arr 09:21 Innsbruck Hbf 16.02.04 dep 10:49 OEC 562 Feldkirch 16.02.04 arr 12:45 Feldkirch 16.02.04 dep 13:03 D 442 Sargans 16.02.04 arr 13:37 Sargans 16.02.04 dep 13:42 RB 7849 Chur 16.02.04 arr 14:04 Chur 16.02.04 dep 14:54 D 555 Samedan 16.02.04 arr 16:41 Samedan 16.02.04 dep 16:48 RB 755 Pontresina 16.02.04 arr 16:55 Pontresina 16.02.04 dep 17:03 RB 455 Tirano 16.02.04 arr 19:11 Tirano 16.02.04 dep 20:28 R 5297 Sondrio 16.02.04 arr 21:02 Sondrio 16.02.04 dep 21:27 2609 Milano Centrale 16.02.04 arr 23:55 -- Arwel Parry I take my other hat off as well! A few more hats, and I will be btotally exposed to the elements! I'll just call you Zaphod Beeblebrox, then! Garmisch is good, then, yeah? Pretty nice -- I've only ever stayed there for a few days in August/September. I seem to recall there was a hell of a thunderstorm while I was there, and I suffered the typical German weekend, shoppingwise! It's a nice place for taking the train up the Zugspitze, of course. But the above sched should not be done in winter - it would be a crime not to see the Bernina in daylight. OTOH it's marvellous in snow. Springtime? Indeed. I'd suggest May or June would probably be the best time, from the point of view of daylight. I do however remember my first trip through the Vorarlberg on an overnight train from Basel to Vienna in February '84, on a moonlit night - the snow-covered mountains were magical. That schedule is a lot to do in one day -- I usually stay somewhere in eastern or southern Switzerland when I'm in the area, the Hotel Hirsch in Samedan comes to mind, though it's about 15 years since I stayed there so this isn't a recommendation! I've often thought I'd like to stay a day or two in Filisur which looks very nice, with sgraffito painted buildings, and so on. The Bernina Pass route is one of my favourites, I've walked down from Alp Grum to the next station, Cavaglia, a few times which is quite a change in a few miles from high up in the German-speaking pass down to the Italian-speaking valley -- though do wear proper hiking boots 'cos it's pretty steep! And beware the polizia on Centrale at dead of night. They zoom about in this funny little cart thing with a flashing light on a pole! Highly amusing and terribly photogenic. But don't go there - they get VERY upset! I only just managed to retain the camera, never mind the film! Oops... My only dealings with the polizia have been at Tirano, where they check passports when you leave the RhB station (note to the OP: the Trenitalia station is on the other side of the town square), and I found them extremely polite and friendly. -- Arwel Parry http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/ |
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I have just booked travel for 3 adults from Rome to Frankfurt (Hahn)
for 86 euros including taxes and service fees. This seems too good to be true. Is there a catch when the taxes are more than the flight itself? It just seems wrong. Also ryanair requires 2 hours prior to departure arrival at the airport. Is this also reasonable? If I have an 8:30 flight should I be at the airport at 6:30? Is the airport open that early? Thank you. Joe I flown with Ryanair several times (6) to and from "Frankfurt". (Once to Rome.) I've never had any problems with them, but as others have said, they allow no changes on any tickets, do not guarantee connections, and don't provide any "extras" (like snack, drinks, or assigned seats). I did have a problem in Gothenborg when the plan couldn't land due to fog, but they bussed us to another airport further inland where the incoming plane had landed. Other than a long delay, everything was fine. One thing to be wary of is that they have a small baggage allowance (1 piece checked, 15 kgs and 1 piece carry-on, 7 kgs). They also don't fly to the "normal" Rome or Frankfurt airports. In the case of Rome, they fly to Ciampino, which is a ~30 min bus ride to Termini. The bus is timed to coincide with flights and costs (IIRC, Feb 2003) EUR 8. In Frankfurt, they fly to Hahn which is a 1 hour, 45 minute, EUR 12 ride from the main station. (Hence the quotes around Frankfurt above.) Keeping these in mind, my wife and I did elect to fly them as it's a long (14+ hours) and expensive (EUR 175) train ride. Also, check into Volareweb (http://www.volareweb.com) which flies Rome-Berlin, Milan-Berlin, or Venice-Frankfurt (also Hahn). Whatever you decide, enjoy your trip, Paul -- ++ A random selection of quotes ++ Science has to suffer when the know-nothings come traipsing through the laboratories, infecting the research with their religious beliefs and political ideologies. ++ Bob Hebert, NY Times Columnist on the targetting of peer-reviewed science by the Traditional Values Coalition ++ Paul Sanschagrin http://staff.uni-marburg.de/~sanschag sanschag@ COMBINE staff. THESE uni-marburg. LINES de |
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"Joe" wrote
| I have just booked travel for 3 adults from Rome to Frankfurt | (Hahn) for 86 euros including taxes and service fees. | This seems too good to be true. Is there a catch when the | taxes are more than the flight itself? It just seems wrong. The 'catch' is that Ryanair are an absolutely no-frills airline. Typically with these, if the aircraft is stuck at the airport for three days that is where you will be too - forget hotel accommodation, transfer to another airline, or any form of cossetting. If you miss your flight, tough. If your flight is delayed and you miss a 'connection', tough. | Also ryanair requires 2 hours prior to departure arrival at the | airport. Is this also reasonable? It's what they demand. The low-cost airlines are pretty merciless; if you miss your check-in deadline you miss your flight and usually forfeit your ticket. | If I have an 8:30 flight should I be at the airport at 6:30? | Is the airport open that early? Should be, check-in counter may not be, but you start queueing nonetheless. On the up side, you've paid next to nothing for your flights, their pilots are as well-trained and their aircraft as well-maintained as any other European airline, and Ryanair *will* get you there eventually. Take a plastic bottle of water and a book for any long waits :-) Owain |
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