airport security waste of money

Per Jim Davis:

Has TSA presence prevented another attack, or are the terriorists just
sitting back for a while? We'll never know the answer to that.

One thing that's missing in this thread is the distinction
between using an airplane as a guided missile - as in the 9/11
attacks, and just blowing it up.

Seems to me like the 911 type attack became obsolete almost
immediately.

It was predicated on the public's, airline management's, and the
security system's assumption than any hijackers would hold their
personal survival foremost. Suicide hijackings were unknown to
the system and the public.

45 minutes or so after the first plane hit a Trade Tower, the
passengers in the plane heading for DC knew about it and acted as
the passengers of any succeeding plane will.

To perpetrate a 9/11 type attack again, it seems to me that
somebody would have to figure out how to disable the crew and
passengers or take over a freighter.
--
PeteCresswell

give us
something reasonable
something workable

people who treat the traveling public like people, with courtesy and
respect not like objects

use money efficiently... don't spend millions on wizbang devices
thinking they will be the answer... well, they are for the companies
that make and install the devices.

most people want to get where they are going and not cause any trouble.

banks replaced people with Automatic teller machines, or ATM's to be
more efficient. maybe the airport security should go the way of the self
service checkout some stores are using...would it work, would it save
money...maybe.



kjw wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:39:35 -0000, Jim Davis
wrote:


On Aug 11, 11:33 am, JA_MORAN wrote:

so what...
we have THOUSANDS of aircraft fly every day with NO PROBLEMS, we DO NOT
NEED security, waste of money, makes our airline tickets cost more.

every day people are CARJACKED in cities across the USA by urban
"terrorists" this happens much more than airline incidents, what are we
doing about the urban terrorists.... not much at all.

So, are you saying to eliminate security all together?



Sounds like it.

On Aug 12, 9:43 am, JA_MORAN wrote:

people who treat the traveling public like people, with courtesy and
respect not like objects

I think it would be pretty difficult to give anyone "personalized"
service when there are thousands of people filing through three or
four lines.

use money efficiently... don't spend millions on wizbang devices
thinking they will be the answer... well, they are for the companies
that make and install the devices.

The only "wizbang" devices I've seen over the years are the X-Rays,
and metal detectors, which, as far as I know, have been there for
years. A few airports have the "sniffer" machines, but they're few
and far between.

most people want to get where they are going and not cause any trouble.

Until they're held up for some sort of violation. Then some of them
become raving lunatics.

banks replaced people with Automatic teller machines, or ATM's to be
more efficient. maybe the airport security should go the way of the self
service checkout some stores are using...would it work, would it save
money...maybe.

You're contradicting your "wizbang device" theory.

On Aug 12, 9:38 am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Jim Davis:



Has TSA presence prevented another attack, or are the terriorists just
sitting back for a while? We'll never know the answer to that.

One thing that's missing in this thread is the distinction
between using an airplane as a guided missile - as in the 9/11
attacks, and just blowing it up.

Seems to me like the 911 type attack became obsolete almost
immediately.

It was predicated on the public's, airline management's, and the
security system's assumption than any hijackers would hold their
personal survival foremost. Suicide hijackings were unknown to
the system and the public.

45 minutes or so after the first plane hit a Trade Tower, the
passengers in the plane heading for DC knew about it and acted as
the passengers of any succeeding plane will.

To perpetrate a 9/11 type attack again, it seems to me that
somebody would have to figure out how to disable the crew and
passengers or take over a freighter.
--
PeteCresswell

Most definately. I've said for a long time now, that the 9/11 style
was a one time thing.

What I woud like to know is, what happened to the people who tried to
board with the "cheese bombs" and the ice packs filled with clay,
wrapped with duct tape?

If I get caught on the street with a tiny zip lock bag full of
powdered sugar, I'll be arrested for carring a "look alike" drug.
Were these people arrested for carring a "look alike" bomb? Or were
they sent on their merry way?

On Aug 12, 9:02 am, Jim Davis wrote:
What I woud like to know is, what happened to the people who tried to
board with the "cheese bombs" and the ice packs filled with clay,
wrapped with duct tape?

The story about the "ice pack" lady can be found at
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Travel/story?id=3418155&page=1

It says "Security officers then took her to the bowels of the San
Diego airport for three hours of questioning by airport police and
others." After her incarecertion in the TSA dungeon, she probably
missed her flight.

When she expressed her gratitude for the hospitality and the enhanced
interrogation expereince, they told her "Tough Sh*t, A&&hole."

On Aug 12, 12:20 pm, " wrote:
On Aug 12, 9:02 am, Jim Davis wrote:

What I woud like to know is, what happened to the people who tried to
board with the "cheese bombs" and the ice packs filled with clay,
wrapped with duct tape?

The story about the "ice pack" lady can be found athttp://abcnews.go.com/WN/Travel/story?id=3418155&page=1

It says "Security officers then took her to the bowels of the San
Diego airport for three hours of questioning by airport police and
others." After her incarecertion in the TSA dungeon, she probably
missed her flight.

When she expressed her gratitude for the hospitality and the enhanced
interrogation expereince, they told her "Tough Sh*t, A&&hole."

Thanks for posting the link. I hadn't seen it before. I'm sitting
here chuckling to myself and wondering, why did she keep on repairing
these things for over 15 years? Between her and her son, they surely
could have replaced them when they went bad.

In the age of plastic explosives, and the packs filled with clay, I
can understand why they were questioned. Although the procedure for
investigating the incident is going to be another one of those "2
sided" deals.

I tried a few searches for the 'cheese bomb" incident, but nothing was
found on how they investigated it.

On Aug 12, 11:05 am, Jim Davis wrote:
I'm...
....wondering, why did she keep on repairing
these things for over 15 years? Between her and her son, they surely
could have replaced them when they went bad.
She fixed them (with clear tape, not the duct tape that TSA claimed).
They still worked, so they had not gone bad. She probably had
traveled with these many times before without incident. Her frugal
attitude is commendable, and should not be mocked. How she chooses to
spend her money is her business, and it is arrogant and elitist to say
she should become another wasteful member of the throw-away society.

On Aug 12, 1:47 pm, " wrote:
On Aug 12, 11:05 am, Jim Davis wrote: I'm...
....wondering, why did she keep on repairing
these things for over 15 years? Between her and her son, they surely
could have replaced them when they went bad.

She fixed them (with clear tape, not the duct tape that TSA claimed).
They still worked, so they had not gone bad. She probably had
traveled with these many times before without incident. Her frugal
attitude is commendable, and should not be mocked. How she chooses to
spend her money is her business, and it is arrogant and elitist to say
she should become another wasteful member of the throw-away society.

I'm not mocking the lady. It's just very unusual to hear of an item
like that, to be saved for so many years.

John wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:37:40 -0000, Jim Davis
wrote:


On Aug 10, 2:14 am, JA_MORAN wrote:

airport security as it is now is a big waste of money...

you have people who are inconsiderate, poorly trained, have poor work
ethic and don't care. they need to keep in mind that they are dealing
with people not objects.

InVision, General Electric and other companies that make security
equipment are making out like bandits while the taxpayer, as always is
getting taken to hte cleaners...

I wonder who got paid how much cash to make things like they are now...

makes no sense, costs too much, big waste of time and money

I know people who have had items in carryon bags that should have been
found but did not get so on several occasions... in htis case it was a
waste of time and money.

So far there have been no successiful terrorist acts. If a terrorist
gets past the TSA and is successiful, we can all raise hell. Until
then, you have nothing solid to complain about.


Refresh our memory.

How many terrorist acts did TSA stop?



How many people were shot that were NOT dangerous?

wrote:

On Aug 10, 9:37 am, John wrote:

Refresh our memory.

How many terrorist acts did TSA stop?

You can thank them for successfully protecting us from the sight of
the topless French woman who had to remove her bra to get through the
metal detector in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

However, TSA also gets the credit for setting fire to the San Diego
airport with all of those confiscated cigarette lighters.


Well, they protected us from sipper cup lady