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China is Still Very Poor On Average....A Realistic Appraisal with Supporting Pics and Articles
On Jan 30, 12:14 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote:
You wrote: "Then why all the posts about how bad China is, with no mention of the trajectory?" Reply: Because China's still vely vely bad! Duh! Do you know what tutors say to failing students? "Johnny, you're making good progress!" Because if you're at the bottom, you can't go any lower. And your past and present GPAs are still not mentionable. Thus the positive focus has got to be 'progress'. Let's say that the GDP per capita of China were to double. That's still very low compared to the US or Japan! The ramifications for the world when China 'grows' has to do with its population size, but if you take into account per capita stats, China is really really backward. That's btw the intention of this thread, now that we're drifting off again and again. Furthermore, as countries grow, growth tends to plateau out (sigmoidal curve?). So you cannot just use 'trajectory' and then project China's into the infinite future in a vacuum - and that's barring any natural disasters, bursting of economic bubbles, or whatever terrorist surprises we may have for us. And it will take a very very long time before China catches up to Japan or US in GDP per capita. IOW, the views you express lack balance. In what way? -- Reply: In fact I read that China's population is more educated=20 than India's, I can be wrong though, didn't check. I was asking as I=20 was surprised you didn't bring India up as counterpoint to China's=20 'unique' or 'invention' of a new political system - of how democracy=20 does not always triumph. From all the stats I've read, China just=20 razes India (on average, don't look at the extreme ends of the=20 distribution). See this, for instance: http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/sep/27china.htm ------- You wrote: "Hmm. I note they mentioned female literacy rates, but not male or overall average. Why do you suppose that is????" Reply: Good point, perhaps the liberalization of womanfolk is considered an 'index of human development'? Checked out the stats comparing China and India in literacy rates - from CIA factbook: China: definition: age 15 and over can read and write total population: 90.9% male: 95.1% female: 86.5% (2002) India: definition: age 15 and over can read and write total population: 59.5% male: 70.2% female: 48.3% (2003 est.) Here's why I gave the edge to India. "India's emphasis on graduate and post-graduate education as well as the availability on the India job market of a large pool of people with excellent English skills offset the disadvantages of a low literacy rate and weak primary and secondary school education. Moreover, while the absolute size of the tertiary-educated population in China is higher than in India, it is much lower as a percentage of population: 5% versus 8% in India. China now adds "only" 1.9 million university graduates a year (up from 600,000 in 1990), while India adds about 2.3 million bachelor-degree graduates and some 300,000 engineers." From: China and India: the rivals' unequal talent pools Hillary K. Wood Chan, Egon Zehnder International, Hong Kong and Shanghai http://www.egonzehnderknowledge.com/...cles/index.php ?article=1903 Robert Frost once said that a liberal is someone who can't take his side of the argument. From previous discussions, from this discussion, you seem very keen on trajectories. So where's India's trajectory vs China's? Didn't you say that you haven't seen any? And did you give the edge to India? Which is a greater threat to the West now, China or India? Never mind the IQ/human capital difference between India [IQ = 81, rough estimate, so let's round up to 90] and China [IQ = 100 - 105] (a topic posted long before, and so will not go over same territory), or the Deutsche Bank India vs China reports. It looks like India is having some huge problems....not exactly a 'bottomless well of engineers'? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/wo...erland&emc=rss TIRUCHENGODE, India - As its technology companies soar to the outsourcing skies, India is bumping up against an improbable challenge. In a country once regarded as a bottomless well of low- cost, ready-to-work, English-speaking engineers, a shortage looms. India still produces plenty of engineers, nearly 400,000 a year at last count. But their competence has become the issue........The skills gap reflects the narrow availability of high-quality college education in India and the galloping pace of the country's service- driven economy, which is growing faster than nearly all but China's. The software and service companies provide technology services to foreign companies, many of them based in the United States. Software exports alone expanded by 33 percent in the last year.The university systems of few countries would be able to keep up with such demand, and India is certainly having trouble. The best and most selective universities generate too few graduates, and new private colleges are producing graduates of uneven quality. You wrote: "Most men don't engage in such activities with their wives in tow, and I'm one of them." Reply: "You don't want to have any regrets on your deathbed though....... And the amount of swinging of some of my friends ....well.... let's just leave it at that. Mind you one of them used me (tipped off by an elementary schoolfriend, wow, she's a 1st rate actress!) to get back at her boyfriend once, hehe. And this type of thing may happen more with Caucasians then high achieving geekish WOW playing East Asians - my schoolfriend's WASP and that gf is eurasian. And it's surprisingly how women don't understand men! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...th/2007/01/23/ hlife23.xml&page=1 And Incidentally the default sexual mode for men is serial monogamy or polygamy, and not strict monogamy." The way to avoid deathbed regrets is to get the whoring out of your system by the time you're 30 or 35, before you marry. Whoring around while married is a formula for turmoil, unhappiness, and deathbed regrets. "Always get a prenup" - Donald Trump Thought you're above ad hominems etc. You wrote: "It's a legitimate question -- your answer may help me to decide whether to read your posts in future." Reply: "That's your choice. I never killfile anyone and I most certainly don't read all articles." What do you=20 think I am? Just not to be rude not to answer your questions however,=20 no, no, & yes with a resonant chorus. You wrote: "But your posts have apparently not been an accurate summary of your opinion, no? How does this square with your answers above?" Reply: "You'll have to judge that for yourself. Within the context of China posts, since reading newsgroups and then taking the personal initiative to dig into info about China and NorthEast Asia, I realize that even though I've always known that china is a poor country, I've underestimated just how backward it is, in spite of all the hype and catching up. For instance, the GDP per capita of China is even lower than Mexico or Thailand (World Bank Data)!! I didn't know that!!!" You should also check out soc.culture.china and see that there are some who may be labelled as 'anti-China' or more accurately, anti-communist (recently opening up of markets notwithstanding). My divine role is thus to preserve a Zen balance of the real China - serving as a mirror to reflect - no more, no less - from a cultural (soc.CULTURE.china, remember?) perspective. A mirror with a filter. Like CNN. |
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China is Still Very Poor On Average....A Realistic Appraisal with Supporting Pics and Articles
On Jan 31, 12:00 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote:
In article .com, says... On Jan 30, 12:14 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote: You wrote: "Then why all the posts about how bad China is, with no mention of the trajectory?" Reply: Because China's still vely vely bad! Duh! Do you know what tutors say to failing students? "Johnny, you're making good progress!" Because if you're at the bottom, you can't go any lower. And your past and present GPAs are still not mentionable. Thus the positive focus has got to be 'progress'. Let's say that the GDP per capita of China were to double. That's still very low compared to the US or Japan! The ramifications for the world when China 'grows' has to do with its population size, but if you take into account per capita stats, China is really really backward. That's btw the intention of this thread, now that we're drifting off again and again. Furthermore, as countries grow, growth tends to plateau out (sigmoidal curve?). So you cannot just use 'trajectory' and then project China's into the infinite future in a vacuum - and that's barring any natural disasters, bursting of economic bubbles, or whatever terrorist surprises we may have for us. And it will take a very very long time before China catches up to Japan or US in GDP per capita. IOW, the views you express lack balance. In what way? You write extensively about the bad in China (I agree with most of it) while ignoring the incredible rate of improvement and the growing threat it presents. From The Economic Strategy Institute, February 24th, 2006 India vs. China: The Race for the Future "While nothing is forever, the International Monetary Fund believes China, which has been growing at a 10 percent annual rate, can maintain at least 7 to 8 percent growth for the next ten years to fifteen years. If so, it will surpass Japan to become the world's second largest economy in 2016 and could be on a par with the United States by 2040. In fact, in terms of domestic purchasing power, China's economy could effectively be as large as America's by 2025. It is already the world's largest market for more than 100 products such as cell phones, cement, steel, television sets and machine tools and will soon become the largest market for almost everything." Of course, by 2025 the average Chinese will still be much poorer than the average American. But "small" countries with high per-capita incomes are still relative "nobodies" globally. How do you feel about a world in which China is THE economic and military superpower? As you said by 2025 the average Chinese will still be much poorer than the average American. I'm taking the same perspective - for this thread anyway - a per capita perspective - as implied/spelled out in the initial thread....think of, say comparing automobiles and tornadoes. Are cars more dangerous than tornadoes? There are more people killed each year in car accidents than in tornadoes. So I guess you can say that cars are way more dangerous than tornadoes. Should people avoid cars more than they avoid tornadoes? I don't think so. As for China being the economic and military superpower, ultimately it's about winning, and until the Chinese or any other country has done so by whatever means (see: Unrestricted Warfare, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare ) then everything's in future tense, there's nothing to crow about *right now*. Isn't it true that poor people always live in the future? Meaning if China wins then I'll accept it. Gladly! Translation: I think being fluid in principles (like netting chicks for instance, so sweet...!) gets one further ahead, aka pragmatism triumphs, maximize friends, minimize enemies, only constant is change etc. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/wo...ml?pagewanted=... TIRUCHENGODE, India - As its technology companies soar to the outsourcing skies, India is bumping up against an improbable challenge. In a country once regarded as a bottomless well of low- cost, ready-to-work, English-speaking engineers, a shortage looms. India still produces plenty of engineers, nearly 400,000 a year at last count. But their competence has become the issue........The skills gap reflects the narrow availability of high-quality college education in India and the galloping pace of the country's service- driven economy, which is growing faster than nearly all but China's. The software and service companies provide technology services to foreign companies, many of them based in the United States. Software exports alone expanded by 33 percent in the last year.The university systems of few countries would be able to keep up with such demand, and India is certainly having trouble. The best and most selective universities generate too few graduates, and new private colleges are producing graduates of uneven quality. From The Economic Strategy Institute, February 24th, 2006 India vs. China: The Race for the Future "In sum, if you are a short-term investor, China is probably where you should put your money. But if you are in it for the long haul, you might want to bet on India. That certainly seems to be what George Bush is doing as he heads out this week to make nice with his newest international friend. Of course, there is a certain logic in an Indian-Chinese alliance. India could use China's manufacturing know-how and resource mobilization capabilities, and China could learn from India about services, start- ups, and technology. Indeed, when Chinese President Hu Jin Tao visited India last fall, it was Indian Prime Minister Singh who said: "Together we will change the world." "Together we *will* change the world"? I thought they WERE and still ARE the world, and yet look what they've done! They're like, what, 40% of the world population? Hahahaha!! Losers..... Anyway revisit the Lee Kwan Yee interview - he's more on the mark....see, realism, not hype. Though I guess for the downtrodden (huge concession!) there's always "I have a dream"! You wrote: "Most men don't engage in such activities with their wives in tow, and I'm one of them." Reply: "You don't want to have any regrets on your deathbed though....... And the amount of swinging of some of my friends ....well.... let's just leave it at that. Mind you one of them used me (tipped off by an elementary schoolfriend, wow, she's a 1st rate actress!) to get back at her boyfriend once, hehe. And this type of thing may happen more with Caucasians then high achieving geekish WOW playing East Asians - my schoolfriend's WASP and that gf is eurasian. And it's surprisingly how women don't understand men! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...th/2007/01/23/ hlife23.xml&page=1 And Incidentally the default sexual mode for men is serial monogamy or polygamy, and not strict monogamy." The way to avoid deathbed regrets is to get the whoring out of your system by the time you're 30 or 35, before you marry. Whoring around while married is a formula for turmoil, unhappiness, and deathbed regrets. "Always get a prenup" - Donald Trump Would you believe anyone who uses a comb-over? $ trumps style, no? |
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China is Still Very Poor On Average....A Realistic Appraisal with Supporting Pics and Articles
In article .com,
says... On Jan 31, 12:00 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote: In article .com, says... On Jan 30, 12:14 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote: You wrote: "Then why all the posts about how bad China is, with no mention of the trajectory?" Reply: Because China's still vely vely bad! Duh! Do you know what tutors say to failing students? "Johnny, you're making good progress!" Because if you're at the bottom, you can't go any lower. And your past and present GPAs are still not mentionable. Thus the positive focus has got to be 'progress'. Let's say that the GDP per capita of China were to double. That's still very low compared to the US or Japan! The ramifications for the world when China 'grows' has to do with its population size, but if you take into account per capita stats, China is really really backward. That's btw the intention of this thread, now that we're drifting off again and again. Furthermore, as countries grow, growth tends to plateau out (sigmoidal curve?). So you cannot just use 'trajectory' and then project China's into the infinite future in a vacuum - and that's barring any natural disasters, bursting of economic bubbles, or whatever terrorist surprises we may have for us. And it will take a very very long time before China catches up to Japan or US in GDP per capita. IOW, the views you express lack balance. In what way? You write extensively about the bad in China (I agree with most of it) while ignoring the incredible rate of improvement and the growing threat it presents. From The Economic Strategy Institute, February 24th, 2006 India vs. China: The Race for the Future "While nothing is forever, the International Monetary Fund believes China, which has been growing at a 10 percent annual rate, can maintain at least 7 to 8 percent growth for the next ten years to fifteen years. If so, it will surpass Japan to become the world's second largest economy in 2016 and could be on a par with the United States by 2040. In fact, in terms of domestic purchasing power, China's economy could effectively be as large as America's by 2025. It is already the world's largest market for more than 100 products such as cell phones, cement, steel, television sets and machine tools and will soon become the largest market for almost everything." Of course, by 2025 the average Chinese will still be much poorer than the average American. But "small" countries with high per-capita incomes are still relative "nobodies" globally. How do you feel about a world in which China is THE economic and military superpower? As you said by 2025 the average Chinese will still be much poorer than the average American. I'm taking the same perspective - for this thread anyway - a per capita perspective - as implied/spelled out in the initial thread....think of, say comparing automobiles and tornadoes. Are cars more dangerous than tornadoes? There are more people killed each year in car accidents than in tornadoes. So I guess you can say that cars are way more dangerous than tornadoes. Should people avoid cars more than they avoid tornadoes? I don't think so. I'm reporting you to Amnesty International for torturing a metaphor. Peter Drucker, the best business thinker of the 20th century, said something like *The important thing is to identify the "future that has already happened".* Drucker pointed out that major changes take time to work their way through the economy, and that they become apparent well before their maximum impact is felt. It's about trajectory. Just as with tornadoes and cars, watch the trajectory so you can take action before it's too late. As for China being the economic and military superpower, ultimately it's about winning, and until the Chinese or any other country has done so by whatever means (see: Unrestricted Warfare, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare ) then everything's in future tense, there's nothing to crow about *right now*. Isn't it true that poor people always live in the future? Meaning if China wins then I'll accept it. Gladly! Translation: I think being fluid in principles (like netting chicks for instance, so sweet...!) gets one further ahead, aka pragmatism triumphs, maximize friends, minimize enemies, only constant is change etc. Is that an ad for psychopathy? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/wo...ml?pagewanted=... TIRUCHENGODE, India - As its technology companies soar to the outsourcing skies, India is bumping up against an improbable challenge. In a country once regarded as a bottomless well of low- cost, ready-to-work, English-speaking engineers, a shortage looms. India still produces plenty of engineers, nearly 400,000 a year at last count. But their competence has become the issue........The skills gap reflects the narrow availability of high-quality college education in India and the galloping pace of the country's service- driven economy, which is growing faster than nearly all but China's. The software and service companies provide technology services to foreign companies, many of them based in the United States. Software exports alone expanded by 33 percent in the last year.The university systems of few countries would be able to keep up with such demand, and India is certainly having trouble. The best and most selective universities generate too few graduates, and new private colleges are producing graduates of uneven quality. From The Economic Strategy Institute, February 24th, 2006 India vs. China: The Race for the Future "In sum, if you are a short-term investor, China is probably where you should put your money. But if you are in it for the long haul, you might want to bet on India. That certainly seems to be what George Bush is doing as he heads out this week to make nice with his newest international friend. Of course, there is a certain logic in an Indian-Chinese alliance. India could use China's manufacturing know-how and resource mobilization capabilities, and China could learn from India about services, start- ups, and technology. Indeed, when Chinese President Hu Jin Tao visited India last fall, it was Indian Prime Minister Singh who said: "Together we will change the world." "Together we *will* change the world"? I thought they WERE and still ARE the world, and yet look what they've done! They're like, what, 40% of the world population? Hahahaha!! Losers..... Actually, together they ARE changing the world as we write. I know of many businesses in North America which have postponed growth plans because the cost of commodities spiked -- largely due to demand in China. China is crowding others out of manufacturing due to its low labour costs. India is crowding others out of some service businesses due to its low labour costs. Anyway revisit the Lee Kwan Yee interview - he's more on the mark....see, realism, not hype. Though I guess for the downtrodden (huge concession!) there's always "I have a dream"! You wrote: "Most men don't engage in such activities with their wives in tow, and I'm one of them." Reply: "You don't want to have any regrets on your deathbed though....... And the amount of swinging of some of my friends ....well.... let's just leave it at that. Mind you one of them used me (tipped off by an elementary schoolfriend, wow, she's a 1st rate actress!) to get back at her boyfriend once, hehe. And this type of thing may happen more with Caucasians then high achieving geekish WOW playing East Asians - my schoolfriend's WASP and that gf is eurasian. And it's surprisingly how women don't understand men! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...th/2007/01/23/ hlife23.xml&page=1 And Incidentally the default sexual mode for men is serial monogamy or polygamy, and not strict monogamy." The way to avoid deathbed regrets is to get the whoring out of your system by the time you're 30 or 35, before you marry. Whoring around while married is a formula for turmoil, unhappiness, and deathbed regrets. "Always get a prenup" - Donald Trump Would you believe anyone who uses a comb-over? $ trumps style, no? That depends. If you like screwing mercenary women, $ trumps style. Personally, I don't. Verno |
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China is Still Very Poor On Average....A Realistic Appraisal with Supporting Pics and Articles
On Jan 31, 12:00 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote:
In article .com, says... On Jan 30, 12:14 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote: You wrote: "Then why all the posts about how bad China is, with no mention of the trajectory?" Reply: Because China's still vely vely bad! Duh! Do you know what tutors say to failing students? "Johnny, you're making good progress!" Because if you're at the bottom, you can't go any lower. And your past and present GPAs are still not mentionable. Thus the positive focus has got to be 'progress'. Let's say that the GDP per capita of China were to double. That's still very low compared to the US or Japan! The ramifications for the world when China 'grows' has to do with its population size, but if you take into account per capita stats, China is really really backward. That's btw the intention of this thread, now that we're drifting off again and again. Furthermore, as countries grow, growth tends to plateau out (sigmoidal curve?). So you cannot just use 'trajectory' and then project China's into the infinite future in a vacuum - and that's barring any natural disasters, bursting of economic bubbles, or whatever terrorist surprises we may have for us. And it will take a very very long time before China catches up to Japan or US in GDP per capita. IOW, the views you express lack balance. In what way? You write extensively about the bad in China (I agree with most of it) while ignoring the incredible rate of improvement and the growing threat it presents. From The Economic Strategy Institute, February 24th, 2006 India vs. China: The Race for the Future "While nothing is forever, the International Monetary Fund believes China, which has been growing at a 10 percent annual rate, can maintain at least 7 to 8 percent growth for the next ten years to fifteen years. If so, it will surpass Japan to become the world's second largest economy in 2016 and could be on a par with the United States by 2040. In fact, in terms of domestic purchasing power, China's economy could effectively be as large as America's by 2025. It is already the world's largest market for more than 100 products such as cell phones, cement, steel, television sets and machine tools and will soon become the largest market for almost everything." Of course, by 2025 the average Chinese will still be much poorer than the average American. But "small" countries with high per-capita incomes are still relative "nobodies" globally. How do you feel about a world in which China is THE economic and military superpower? Same way I feel about car accidents vs tornadoes. -- Reply: In fact I read that China's population is more educated=20 than India's, I can be wrong though, didn't check. I was asking as I=20 was surprised you didn't bring India up as counterpoint to China's=20 'unique' or 'invention' of a new political system - of how democracy=20 does not always triumph. From all the stats I've read, China just=20 razes India (on average, don't look at the extreme ends of the=20 distribution). See this, for instance: http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/sep/27china.htm ------- You wrote: "Hmm. I note they mentioned female literacy rates, but not male or overall average. Why do you suppose that is????" Reply: Good point, perhaps the liberalization of womanfolk is considered an 'index of human development'? Checked out the stats comparing China and India in literacy rates - from CIA factbook: China: definition: age 15 and over can read and write total population: 90.9% male: 95.1% female: 86.5% (2002) India: definition: age 15 and over can read and write total population: 59.5% male: 70.2% female: 48.3% (2003 est.) Here's why I gave the edge to India. "India's emphasis on graduate and post-graduate education as well as the availability on the India job market of a large pool of people with excellent English skills offset the disadvantages of a low literacy rate and weak primary and secondary school education. Moreover, while the absolute size of the tertiary-educated population in China is higher than in India, it is much lower as a percentage of population: 5% versus 8% in India. China now adds "only" 1.9 million university graduates a year (up from 600,000 in 1990), while India adds about 2.3 million bachelor-degree graduates and some 300,000 engineers." From: China and India: the rivals' unequal talent pools Hillary K. Wood Chan, Egon Zehnder International, Hong Kong and Shanghai http://www.egonzehnderknowledge.com/...cles/index.php ?article=1903 Robert Frost once said that a liberal is someone who can't take his side of the argument. From previous discussions, from this discussion, you seem very keen on trajectories. So where's India's trajectory vs China's? Didn't you say that you haven't seen any? And did you give the edge to India? Which is a greater threat to the West now, China or India? Frost didn't say anything about people who try to oversimplify arguments, did he? Now, China. In the future, both. (And India may well end up a bigger economy than China.) Never mind the IQ/human capital difference between India [IQ = 81, rough estimate, so let's round up to 90] and China [IQ = 100 - 105] (a topic posted long before, and so will not go over same territory), or the Deutsche Bank India vs China reports. It looks like India is having some huge problems....not exactly a 'bottomless well of engineers'? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/wo...ml?pagewanted=... TIRUCHENGODE, India - As its technology companies soar to the outsourcing skies, India is bumping up against an improbable challenge. In a country once regarded as a bottomless well of low- cost, ready-to-work, English-speaking engineers, a shortage looms. India still produces plenty of engineers, nearly 400,000 a year at last count. But their competence has become the issue........The skills gap reflects the narrow availability of high-quality college education in India and the galloping pace of the country's service- driven economy, which is growing faster than nearly all but China's. The software and service companies provide technology services to foreign companies, many of them based in the United States. Software exports alone expanded by 33 percent in the last year.The university systems of few countries would be able to keep up with such demand, and India is certainly having trouble. The best and most selective universities generate too few graduates, and new private colleges are producing graduates of uneven quality. From The Economic Strategy Institute, February 24th, 2006 India vs. China: The Race for the Future "In sum, if you are a short-term investor, China is probably where you should put your money. But if you are in it for the long haul, you might want to bet on India. That certainly seems to be what George Bush is doing as he heads out this week to make nice with his newest international friend. Of course, there is a certain logic in an Indian-Chinese alliance. India could use China's manufacturing know-how and resource mobilization capabilities, and China could learn from India about services, start- ups, and technology. Indeed, when Chinese President Hu Jin Tao visited India last fall, it was Indian Prime Minister Singh who said: "Together we will change the world." Yeah they're the future. Retort: they'll always be. You wrote: "Most men don't engage in such activities with their wives in tow, and I'm one of them." Reply: "You don't want to have any regrets on your deathbed though....... And the amount of swinging of some of my friends ....well.... let's just leave it at that. Mind you one of them used me (tipped off by an elementary schoolfriend, wow, she's a 1st rate actress!) to get back at her boyfriend once, hehe. And this type of thing may happen more with Caucasians then high achieving geekish WOW playing East Asians - my schoolfriend's WASP and that gf is eurasian. And it's surprisingly how women don't understand men! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...th/2007/01/23/ hlife23.xml&page=1 And Incidentally the default sexual mode for men is serial monogamy or polygamy, and not strict monogamy." The way to avoid deathbed regrets is to get the whoring out of your system by the time you're 30 or 35, before you marry. Whoring around while married is a formula for turmoil, unhappiness, and deathbed regrets. "Always get a prenup" - Donald Trump Would you believe anyone who uses a comb-over? $ does trump style you know.... |
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China is Still Very Poor On Average....A Realistic Appraisal with Supporting Pics and Articles
On Jan 31, 3:12 pm, Vernon North Vernon wrote:
In article .com, says... Of course, by 2025 the average Chinese will still be much poorer than the average American. But "small" countries with high per-capita incomes are still relative "nobodies" globally. How do you feel about a world in which China is THE economic and military superpower? As you said by 2025 the average Chinese will still be much poorer than the average American. I'm taking the same perspective - for this thread anyway - a per capita perspective - as implied/spelled out in the initial thread....think of, say comparing automobiles and tornadoes. Are cars more dangerous than tornadoes? There are more people killed each year in car accidents than in tornadoes. So I guess you can say that cars are way more dangerous than tornadoes. Should people avoid cars more than they avoid tornadoes? I don't think so. I'm reporting you to Amnesty International for torturing a metaphor. Peter Drucker, the best business thinker of the 20th century, said something like *The important thing is to identify the "future that has already happened".* Drucker pointed out that major changes take time to work their way through the economy, and that they become apparent well before their maximum impact is felt. It's about trajectory. Just as with tornadoes and cars, watch the trajectory so you can take action before it's too late. The importance of predicting the future is not in question. What you're saying is almost like the very very true investor's advice buy low sell high. Duh! Everyone agrees with it. Question is how. Everyone knows the principle, everyone knows that predicting the future is important, early bird catches the worm. The real question is what will the future be that allows you to actually do it. Just today, just today -- February 1st, TIME has this article on how China is bracing for a bubble. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4789-1,00.html I guess from your perspective, if you're only interested in "threats" since over-estimation of threats does not incur costs then it may be rational. (Read: should Americans be blindsided by Chinese automakers just as they were by Japanese couple decades ago? Probably not). But....say if you're an investor in the Far East, to assume that just because China's booming in the past and thus will continue to do so (in naive cases, some may even think infinitely...) that is certainly not a smart thing to do. Again, predicting the future is important, the question is what will it be. Afterall as other posters have pointed out, what about Japan in the 70s and 80s? By now Japan would/ should have taken over the world and yet that's not the case.... (Well, actually it's still the richest [highest net worth per capita] on earth where over 1 in 4 over 99&-ile in world wealth is Japanese, it's still the healthiest nation on earth, it's home to the longest living human being, it's got the best food and women, it's technological paradise [can quote link if you want], so....yeah maybe you have a point 'bout China even if its bubble bursts...) As for China being the economic and military superpower, ultimately it's about winning, and until the Chinese or any other country has done so by whatever means (see: Unrestricted Warfare, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare) then everything's in future tense, there's nothing to crow about *right now*. Isn't it true that poor people always live in the future? Meaning if China wins then I'll accept it. Gladly! Translation: I think being fluid in principles (like netting chicks for instance, so sweet...!) gets one further ahead, aka pragmatism triumphs, maximize friends, minimize enemies, only constant is change etc. Is that an ad for psychopathy? Ad against old-timer naivete.Or: ad for the 21st century atomization of society. If you're against stereotypes (collectivism) you should have no problems with it. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/wo...ml?pagewanted=... TIRUCHENGODE, India - As its technology companies soar to the outsourcing skies, India is bumping up against an improbable challenge. In a country once regarded as a bottomless well of low- cost, ready-to-work, English-speaking engineers, a shortage looms. India still produces plenty of engineers, nearly 400,000 a year at last count. But their competence has become the issue........The skills gap reflects the narrow availability of high-quality college education in India and the galloping pace of the country's service- driven economy, which is growing faster than nearly all but China's. The software and service companies provide technology services to foreign companies, many of them based in the United States. Software exports alone expanded by 33 percent in the last year.The university systems of few countries would be able to keep up with such demand, and India is certainly having trouble. The best and most selective universities generate too few graduates, and new private colleges are producing graduates of uneven quality. From The Economic Strategy Institute, February 24th, 2006 India vs. China: The Race for the Future "In sum, if you are a short-term investor, China is probably where you should put your money. But if you are in it for the long haul, you might want to bet on India. That certainly seems to be what George Bush is doing as he heads out this week to make nice with his newest international friend. Of course, there is a certain logic in an Indian-Chinese alliance. India could use China's manufacturing know-how and resource mobilization capabilities, and China could learn from India about services, start- ups, and technology. Indeed, when Chinese President Hu Jin Tao visited India last fall, it was Indian Prime Minister Singh who said: "Together we will change the world." "Together we *will* change the world"? I thought they WERE and still ARE the world, and yet look what they've done! They're like, what, 40% of the world population? Hahahaha!! Losers..... Actually, together they ARE changing the world as we write. I know of many businesses in North America which have postponed growth plans because the cost of commodities spiked -- largely due to demand in China. China is crowding others out of manufacturing due to its low labour costs. India is crowding others out of some service businesses due to its low labour costs. Per capita, per capita, again, the title of this thread. I don't disagree with what you said (see Lou Dobbs nightly on illegal immigration and China Threat) it's like you keep saying things that people know already. I think you sometimes need to look from within vs from without.... Anyway revisit the Lee Kwan Yee interview - he's more on the mark....see, realism, not hype. Though I guess for the downtrodden (huge concession!) there's always "I have a dream"! You wrote: "Most men don't engage in such activities with their wives in tow, and I'm one of them." Reply: "You don't want to have any regrets on your deathbed though....... And the amount of swinging of some of my friends ....well.... let's just leave it at that. Mind you one of them used me (tipped off by an elementary schoolfriend, wow, she's a 1st rate actress!) to get back at her boyfriend once, hehe. And this type of thing may happen more with Caucasians then high achieving geekish WOW playing East Asians - my schoolfriend's WASP and that gf is eurasian. And it's surprisingly how women don't understand men! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...th/2007/01/23/ hlife23.xml&page=1 And Incidentally the default sexual mode for men is serial monogamy or polygamy, and not strict monogamy." The way to avoid deathbed regrets is to get the whoring out of your system by the time you're 30 or 35, before you marry. Whoring around while married is a formula for turmoil, unhappiness, and deathbed regrets. "Always get a prenup" - Donald Trump Would you believe anyone who uses a comb-over? $ trumps style, no? That depends. If you like screwing mercenary women, $ trumps style. Personally, I don't. Did you read "REason to love the Far East" by moi? The girl was asking for it, and free of charge! How mercenary can that be? As for mercenary women, that's a redundancy. Not to bore you and just to re-quote: http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/eco...stitution.html |
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