Traveling to China with kids

"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
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In article , Amoeba says...
No, we are not allowed to settle down and work in the UK and the EU.

So essentially this BNO passport is useless, because it doesn't grant
you any rights.

You are not kidding. It's a gift from the great colonial father England, a
totally useless gift.

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Alfred Molon

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Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Germany, Austria,
Prague, Budapest and Portugal

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:16:43 -0800, the renowned "PeterL"
wrote:


"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
m...
In article , Amoeba says...
No, we are not allowed to settle down and work in the UK and the EU.

So essentially this BNO passport is useless, because it doesn't grant
you any rights.

You are not kidding. It's a gift from the great colonial father England, a
totally useless gift.

To what should be the great shame of the UK.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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In article , Alfred Molon
writes:

I would avoid Hong Kong, because it's basically a very crowded place
full of skyscrapers with a very high population density (people, people
everywhere. Not a place where to relax with kids. It's a very urban
area, with not so many attractions for children

I'll quibble slightly in that there are theme parks,etc for a short stay. My
boy enjoyed it as well as Lantau before the mouse.
edwardseco

In article , Alfred Molon
writes:

I would avoid Hong Kong, because it's basically a very crowded place
full of skyscrapers with a very high population density (people, people
everywhere. Not a place where to relax with kids. It's a very urban
area, with not so many attractions for children

I'll quibble slightly in that there are theme parks,etc for a short stay. My
boy enjoyed it as well as Lantau before the mouse.
edwardseco

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:27:14 GMT, the renowned w
(Peter Neville-Hadley) wrote:

Annette wrote:

Zoos should be
avoided, but the Milu Deer Park just south of Beijing is well-run and
designed to appeal to children, for instance.

I was thinking of suggesting Beijing's zoo as well when I started reading
the thread.

As well as who? I specifically recommended avoiding zoos in China. The
circumstances in many of them are dreadful enough to make children burst
into tears.

I mentioned the Milu Deer Park because it's a rare example in China of
an animal-related entertainment which is humanely and imaginatively run.

The operation's director studied in Germany and worked in Ireland, and
has brought back Western standards of care and presentation, as well as
educational elements for children, and clever presentations on
disappearing species.

On a lighter note, in addition to the large herd of Pere David's deer,
and assorted other deer and horses, there are deer of the Bambi variety
at large for petting, and picnic tables.

What kind of person uses a deer for a picnic table?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:27:14 GMT, the renowned w
(Peter Neville-Hadley) wrote:

Annette wrote:

Zoos should be
avoided, but the Milu Deer Park just south of Beijing is well-run and
designed to appeal to children, for instance.

I was thinking of suggesting Beijing's zoo as well when I started reading
the thread.

As well as who? I specifically recommended avoiding zoos in China. The
circumstances in many of them are dreadful enough to make children burst
into tears.

I mentioned the Milu Deer Park because it's a rare example in China of
an animal-related entertainment which is humanely and imaginatively run.

The operation's director studied in Germany and worked in Ireland, and
has brought back Western standards of care and presentation, as well as
educational elements for children, and clever presentations on
disappearing species.

On a lighter note, in addition to the large herd of Pere David's deer,
and assorted other deer and horses, there are deer of the Bambi variety
at large for petting, and picnic tables.

What kind of person uses a deer for a picnic table?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

ha ha, you are right. If I was granted any rights, it's good for me as I
want to develop my career in the Netherlands or in the UK. It's just a
travel document for us and a tool for the British government to earn the
money. I can't even visit EU countries without a visa. When I use the BNO
passport and passe the customs in theUK, I have to line up with other non-EU
visitors.


"Alfred Molon" ???
???...
In article , Amoeba says...
No, we are not allowed to settle down and work in the UK and the EU.

So essentially this BNO passport is useless, because it doesn't grant
you any rights.
--

Alfred Molon

http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from Myanmar, Brunei,
Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Germany, Austria,
Prague, Budapest and Portugal

ha ha, you are right. If I was granted any rights, it's good for me as I
want to develop my career in the Netherlands or in the UK. It's just a
travel document for us and a tool for the British government to earn the
money. I can't even visit EU countries without a visa. When I use the BNO
passport and passe the customs in theUK, I have to line up with other non-EU
visitors.


"Alfred Molon" ???
???...
In article , Amoeba says...
No, we are not allowed to settle down and work in the UK and the EU.

So essentially this BNO passport is useless, because it doesn't grant
you any rights.
--

Alfred Molon

http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from Myanmar, Brunei,
Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Germany, Austria,
Prague, Budapest and Portugal

"Dennis McCrohan" wrote in message
...
Hi-

I'm looking for some net.wisdom on traveling to China with my wife and
two kids (8 and 11). My wife has been looking at some of the
package-tours that you can buy here in the States. From the description
of these, it looks like you would spend most of your time in 5-star
Western hotels (Hyatt, et al), eating western meals, riding around in
tour busses with a bunch of other Americans (and I'm guessing that most
of them would be, ahh, "mature"), and basically running from one
tourist-trap to the next. And that after the first day or so my kids
would be bored and tired of it. And we mostly eat Cambodian, Thai, and
Viet food, not hamburgers, so McDonanld's is not considered a treat in
my family.

If you wife is native Chinese, you might want to consider free-and-easy
package.
I, my wife and 3 kids (11, 10, 8) went to Beijing and Xi'an.
http://community.webshots.com/script...umID=232065795

Not difficult to move around if your wife can speak and read chinese
language.

My wife is ethnic Chinese, speaks some Mandarian (in addition to her
parent's dialect), and our kids have been taking Mandarian classes for
several years. So I'm thinking that we would be better off with a tour
designed with children in mind (nothing like having other kids to talk
to/play with during long bus/plane rides) or just putting a package
together ourselves and hiring a private guide. I'd still like to stay in
higher class hotels (yes, I know about the Chinese attitude about
bathrooms) but other than that I'd rather eat in local restaraunts
(assuming food safety isn't an issue) and do things that would be of
more interest to the kids (say visiting an amusement park, or a school)
rather than trouping thru the 17th Imperial bedroom of the day.

The bathrooms are pretty nice with amenities like disposable shavers, comb
and the other standards items.
Public toilets are pretty decent and nice. We tried local food, McDonalds,
KFC and BreadTalk and other local deli. No problem.


Anyway, I'd be interested in feedback on all this, particularly from
folks who have taken their own school-age children to China.

try this webpage of my trip to China:
http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/88598/

The link I had provided didn't work.

Here's the correct link:
http://community.webshots.com/album/232065795OEOnAf

"MeNmyself" wrote in message
...

"Dennis McCrohan" wrote in message
...
Hi-

I'm looking for some net.wisdom on traveling to China with my wife and
two kids (8 and 11). My wife has been looking at some of the
package-tours that you can buy here in the States. From the description
of these, it looks like you would spend most of your time in 5-star
Western hotels (Hyatt, et al), eating western meals, riding around in
tour busses with a bunch of other Americans (and I'm guessing that most
of them would be, ahh, "mature"), and basically running from one
tourist-trap to the next. And that after the first day or so my kids
would be bored and tired of it. And we mostly eat Cambodian, Thai, and
Viet food, not hamburgers, so McDonanld's is not considered a treat in
my family.

If you wife is native Chinese, you might want to consider free-and-easy
package.
I, my wife and 3 kids (11, 10, 8) went to Beijing and Xi'an.
http://community.webshots.com/script...umID=232065795

Not difficult to move around if your wife can speak and read chinese
language.

My wife is ethnic Chinese, speaks some Mandarian (in addition to her
parent's dialect), and our kids have been taking Mandarian classes for
several years. So I'm thinking that we would be better off with a tour
designed with children in mind (nothing like having other kids to talk
to/play with during long bus/plane rides) or just putting a package
together ourselves and hiring a private guide. I'd still like to stay in
higher class hotels (yes, I know about the Chinese attitude about
bathrooms) but other than that I'd rather eat in local restaraunts
(assuming food safety isn't an issue) and do things that would be of
more interest to the kids (say visiting an amusement park, or a school)
rather than trouping thru the 17th Imperial bedroom of the day.

The bathrooms are pretty nice with amenities like disposable shavers, comb
and the other standards items.
Public toilets are pretty decent and nice. We tried local food,
McDonalds, KFC and BreadTalk and other local deli. No problem.


Anyway, I'd be interested in feedback on all this, particularly from
folks who have taken their own school-age children to China.

try this webpage of my trip to China:
http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/88598/