Go figure... (air fares puzzlement)

Martin wrote:

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:22:08 -0700, AES wrote:

Response to this thread from my North Korean colleague,
Dr. Tung Inn Cheeek:

"Costs considerably more to fly, e.g., PHX-LHR than
PHX-LHR-CDG because making any connection through
LHR is such a horrible experience (endless walks, jammed
bus rides, multiple unfriendly jammed security checks) that
many people simply won't book any route that transits
through LHR. If your destination is LHR, you're stuck
with landing there; if it's elsewhere, you have to be
bribed to transit LHR en route."

Go via Schiphol and lose your luggage?

And if not lost, at least late.

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"Michael" wrote in message
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tim..... wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:48:52 +0100, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:

"Hatunen" wrote in message
news I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???
The same seat in the same aircraft can have up to 20 different prices,
depending upon what sort of ticket you buy, where you buy it from, how
long
before the flight you buy and how many people have bought tickets
before
you. A couple I met a few years ago at Toulouse had paid prices for the
same
flight that differed by £60, because she had bought hers online in the
morning and he had not bought his until he got home in the evening, by
which
time the prices had gone up.
Fly from Toulouse to Amsterdam and the odds are that the person sitting
next to
you hasn't paid anything for the trip.

Yes they have!

(And I know why your saying that they haven't and I don't agree with your
logic)

tim



Come on then, let us in on the secret-or-not.

KLM's business model is to use their European flights as feeders for their
(profitable) long haul flights.

Their pricing is such that you pay the AMS fare regardless of where you fly
from, so Martin's theory is that the flight to AMS is free. (He's made the
claim several times.)

I don't agree with that logic

tim

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" wrote in message
...
Martin wrote:

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:22:08 -0700, AES wrote:

Response to this thread from my North Korean colleague,
Dr. Tung Inn Cheeek:

"Costs considerably more to fly, e.g., PHX-LHR than
PHX-LHR-CDG because making any connection through
LHR is such a horrible experience (endless walks, jammed
bus rides, multiple unfriendly jammed security checks) that
many people simply won't book any route that transits
through LHR. If your destination is LHR, you're stuck
with landing there; if it's elsewhere, you have to be
bribed to transit LHR en route."

Go via Schiphol and lose your luggage?

And if not lost, at least late.

The only time I have lost luggage is from CPH (and no it wasn't on KLM)

tim

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:06:23 -0400, John Doe
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:

I doubt it. The train fare from Tucson to NYC is exorbitant,

Sorry, I thought I had seen PHL instead of PHX. Philadelphia to New York
is very doable by train.

, I flew JetBlue or somesuch to NY and then BA to London
or Paris? Of course, there would be direct NYC-PAR flights in any
case.

Depending on pricing you could get a better deal that way.

Duh...


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************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:22:08 -0700, AES
wrote:

Response to this thread from my North Korean colleague,
Dr. Tung Inn Cheeek:

"Costs considerably more to fly, e.g., PHX-LHR than
PHX-LHR-CDG because making any connection through
LHR is such a horrible experience (endless walks, jammed
bus rides, multiple unfriendly jammed security checks) that
many people simply won't book any route that transits
through LHR. If your destination is LHR, you're stuck
with landing there; if it's elsewhere, you have to be
bribed to transit LHR en route."

There's that, of course. And, I suspect, LHR-PHX uses a different
terminal than LHR-CDG.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:48:25 -0700 (PDT), meat n 2 veg
wrote:

On Aug 27, 7:20*pm, Hatunen wrote:

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???

My brane hertz.

http://www.ebookers.com/flights/BRIT...KS20001&strf=3

London (LHR) Phoenix (PHX) 8 Sep 2009 to 30 Oct 2009
British Airways £389.00

Since I'm not doing LHR-PHX return that doesn't do me any good.
I found out long ago that Europe-North America flights are
cheaper than teh reverse.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

"Hatunen" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:22:08 -0700, AES
wrote:

Response to this thread from my North Korean colleague,
Dr. Tung Inn Cheeek:

"Costs considerably more to fly, e.g., PHX-LHR than
PHX-LHR-CDG because making any connection through
LHR is such a horrible experience (endless walks, jammed
bus rides, multiple unfriendly jammed security checks) that
many people simply won't book any route that transits
through LHR. If your destination is LHR, you're stuck
with landing there; if it's elsewhere, you have to be
bribed to transit LHR en route."

There's that, of course. And, I suspect, LHR-PHX uses a different
terminal than LHR-CDG.


If you are flying on BA metral throughout, your connection at LHR would be
within Terminal 5.
--
JohnT

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:03:37 +0100, "JohnT"
wrote:

"Hatunen" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:22:08 -0700, AES
wrote:

Response to this thread from my North Korean colleague,
Dr. Tung Inn Cheeek:

"Costs considerably more to fly, e.g., PHX-LHR than
PHX-LHR-CDG because making any connection through
LHR is such a horrible experience (endless walks, jammed
bus rides, multiple unfriendly jammed security checks) that
many people simply won't book any route that transits
through LHR. If your destination is LHR, you're stuck
with landing there; if it's elsewhere, you have to be
bribed to transit LHR en route."

There's that, of course. And, I suspect, LHR-PHX uses a different
terminal than LHR-CDG.


If you are flying on BA metral throughout, your connection at LHR would be
within Terminal 5.

So that includes Paris flights?

I haven't been through LHR in about five years now, and I do
remember flying HEL-LHR-PHX and suffering the change from T3 to
T4.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Aug 28, 8:53*pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:03:37 +0100, "JohnT"



wrote:
"Hatunen" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:22:08 -0700, AES
wrote:

Response to this thread from my North Korean colleague,
Dr. Tung Inn Cheeek:

* "Costs considerably more to fly, e.g., PHX-LHR than
* PHX-LHR-CDG because making any connection through
* LHR is such a horrible experience (endless walks, jammed
* bus rides, multiple unfriendly jammed security checks) that
* many people simply won't book any route that transits
* through LHR. *If your destination is LHR, you're stuck
* with landing there; if it's elsewhere, you have to be
* bribed to transit LHR en route."

There's that, of course. And, I suspect, LHR-PHX uses a different
terminal than LHR-CDG.

If you are flying on BA metral throughout, your connection at LHR would be
within Terminal 5.

So that includes Paris flights?

I haven't been through LHR in about five years now, and I do
remember flying HEL-LHR-PHX and suffering the change from T3 to
T4.

--
* ************** DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* ** * * * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * * * *
* ** My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

all T5 for BA....they even give you your luggage back now.....

tim..... wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
...
tim..... wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:48:52 +0100, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:

"Hatunen" wrote in message
news I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???
The same seat in the same aircraft can have up to 20 different prices,
depending upon what sort of ticket you buy, where you buy it from, how
long
before the flight you buy and how many people have bought tickets
before
you. A couple I met a few years ago at Toulouse had paid prices for the
same
flight that differed by £60, because she had bought hers online in the
morning and he had not bought his until he got home in the evening, by
which
time the prices had gone up.
Fly from Toulouse to Amsterdam and the odds are that the person sitting
next to
you hasn't paid anything for the trip.
Yes they have!

(And I know why your saying that they haven't and I don't agree with your
logic)

tim



Come on then, let us in on the secret-or-not.

KLM's business model is to use their European flights as feeders for their
(profitable) long haul flights.

Their pricing is such that you pay the AMS fare regardless of where you fly
from, so Martin's theory is that the flight to AMS is free. (He's made the
claim several times.)

I don't agree with that logic

tim


OK, I see. Ta (terrible feeling not to be in on the secrets).


M