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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
I saw this article on Yahoo regarding Somali Piracy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/...cy_few_options 3 Small excerpts: "Stamping out Somalia's piracy scourge using U.S. warships or military force will be virtually impossible, according to maritime experts who said Tuesday the real problems lie ashore in the ashes of Somalia's failed state." "Perhaps the biggest obstacle ... is the sheer size of the seas around the Gulf of Aden and Somalia's 1,900-mile coastline, the longest in Africa. It's impossible for ships to be everywhere at once, and they can only guard a tiny fraction of the tens of thousands of vessels that transit the region annually." "Most nations and ship owners have been reticent to use military options ... pirates have rarely harmed hostages." |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:38:35 -0400, "Tom K" wrote:
I saw this article on Yahoo regarding Somali Piracy. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/...cy_few_options 3 Small excerpts: "Stamping out Somalia's piracy scourge using U.S. warships or military force will be virtually impossible, according to maritime experts who said Tuesday the real problems lie ashore in the ashes of Somalia's failed state." "Perhaps the biggest obstacle ... is the sheer size of the seas around the Gulf of Aden and Somalia's 1,900-mile coastline, the longest in Africa. It's impossible for ships to be everywhere at once, and they can only guard a tiny fraction of the tens of thousands of vessels that transit the region annually." "Most nations and ship owners have been reticent to use military options ... pirates have rarely harmed hostages." There is only one option to end the piracy. Kill the *******s. |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
"Gettamulla Tupya" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:38:35 -0400, "Tom K" wrote: I saw this article on Yahoo regarding Somali Piracy. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/...cy_few_options 3 Small excerpts: "Stamping out Somalia's piracy scourge using U.S. warships or military force will be virtually impossible, according to maritime experts who said Tuesday the real problems lie ashore in the ashes of Somalia's failed state." "Perhaps the biggest obstacle ... is the sheer size of the seas around the Gulf of Aden and Somalia's 1,900-mile coastline, the longest in Africa. It's impossible for ships to be everywhere at once, and they can only guard a tiny fraction of the tens of thousands of vessels that transit the region annually." "Most nations and ship owners have been reticent to use military options ... pirates have rarely harmed hostages." There is only one option to end the piracy. Kill the *******s. Brilliant... I guess you didn't bother to read the article. They can't even find them. There's 1900 miles of coast line. And when they do find a boat, they can't tell the difference between real fishermen and pirates. And last time we tried something on land in that country, it resulted in the real life case of "Black Hawk Down". |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
"Gettamulla Tupya" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:38:35 -0400, "Tom K" wrote: I saw this article on Yahoo regarding Somali Piracy. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/...cy_few_options 3 Small excerpts: "Stamping out Somalia's piracy scourge using U.S. warships or military force will be virtually impossible, according to maritime experts who said Tuesday the real problems lie ashore in the ashes of Somalia's failed state." "Perhaps the biggest obstacle ... is the sheer size of the seas around the Gulf of Aden and Somalia's 1,900-mile coastline, the longest in Africa. It's impossible for ships to be everywhere at once, and they can only guard a tiny fraction of the tens of thousands of vessels that transit the region annually." "Most nations and ship owners have been reticent to use military options ... pirates have rarely harmed hostages." There is only one option to end the piracy. Kill the *******s. Yeah, I've never quite understood this so called "legality" they have to do this sort of thing. How bout a couple of waves of fighters n such carpet bomb the coast line....they have to sail from somewhere. Or we could just tell that part of the world. "Hey...you want food? YOU stop the pirates". |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
"Riley 77" wrote in message ... How bout a couple of waves of fighters n such carpet bomb the coast line....they have to sail from somewhere. From the article... "The Islamic country of 8 million people disintegrated in 1991 when warlords toppled the president. Since then, it's been ruled by heavily armed rival clans, hit by famine, and suffered relentless outbreaks of street-fighting that turned it into a no-go zone for most foreigners." "The U.S. dispatched troops in 1992 as part of a U.N. relief operation to feed hordes of hungry civilians, but the Americans became entangled in local clan warfare. Months later, militias shot down two helicopters and killed 18 American soldiers in a battle recounted in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down." You sure you want to go back there? |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
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"Tom K" wrote: Brilliant... I guess you didn't bother to read the article. They can't even find them. There's 1900 miles of coast line. And when they do find a boat, they can't tell the difference between real fishermen and pirates. And last time we tried something on land in that country, it resulted in the real life case of "Black Hawk Down". The only real way might be to pull the ships a little farther away from land, declare an exclusion zone and say anything originating on the coast that goes past that point will be sunk. Period. Even that is iffy at best. -- If you¹re going to sin, sin against God, not the bureaucracy; God will forgive you but the bureaucracy won¹t. ‹Hyman G. Rickover |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , "Tom K" wrote: Brilliant... I guess you didn't bother to read the article. They can't even find them. There's 1900 miles of coast line. And when they do find a boat, they can't tell the difference between real fishermen and pirates. And last time we tried something on land in that country, it resulted in the real life case of "Black Hawk Down". The only real way might be to pull the ships a little farther away from land, declare an exclusion zone and say anything originating on the coast that goes past that point will be sunk. Period. Even that is iffy at best. It might be iffy, but it certainly would put a crimp in the pirates operations. No small boat fishermen go 100 miles offshore to legally "fish" so it would not impact the legal folks. The real "problem" is that there is no functioning government, and successful pirates make lots of money without any apparent risk. Kill a few dozen of them, and "properly" display their remains and you might see a real difference in the number wanting to go "pirating.". Meanwhile, give the ship's crews some appropriate arms and some training to increase their self defense capability. Cheers, John in LALALand (On the Left Coast) |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
"JCarnaghie" wrote in message ... Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , "Tom K" wrote: Brilliant... I guess you didn't bother to read the article. They can't even find them. There's 1900 miles of coast line. And when they do find a boat, they can't tell the difference between real fishermen and pirates. And last time we tried something on land in that country, it resulted in the real life case of "Black Hawk Down". The only real way might be to pull the ships a little farther away from land, declare an exclusion zone and say anything originating on the coast that goes past that point will be sunk. Period. Even that is iffy at best. It might be iffy, but it certainly would put a crimp in the pirates operations. No small boat fishermen go 100 miles offshore to legally "fish" so it would not impact the legal folks. The real "problem" is that there is no functioning government, and successful pirates make lots of money without any apparent risk. Kill a few dozen of them, and "properly" display their remains and you might see a real difference in the number wanting to go "pirating.". Meanwhile, give the ship's crews some appropriate arms and some training to increase their self defense capability. Cheers, John in LALALand (On the Left Coast) So... you want to give high end weapons to cargo ships with crew from countries like Liberia, etc? You can't give the cargo ships something simple like guns if the pirates have rocket launchers. So if you give cargo ships high end weapons, how long before those high end weapons are sold on the black market? --Tom |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
Tom K wrote:
"JCarnaghie" wrote in message ... Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , "Tom K" wrote: Brilliant... I guess you didn't bother to read the article. They can't even find them. There's 1900 miles of coast line. And when they do find a boat, they can't tell the difference between real fishermen and pirates. And last time we tried something on land in that country, it resulted in the real life case of "Black Hawk Down". The only real way might be to pull the ships a little farther away from land, declare an exclusion zone and say anything originating on the coast that goes past that point will be sunk. Period. Even that is iffy at best. It might be iffy, but it certainly would put a crimp in the pirates operations. No small boat fishermen go 100 miles offshore to legally "fish" so it would not impact the legal folks. The real "problem" is that there is no functioning government, and successful pirates make lots of money without any apparent risk. Kill a few dozen of them, and "properly" display their remains and you might see a real difference in the number wanting to go "pirating.". Meanwhile, give the ship's crews some appropriate arms and some training to increase their self defense capability. Cheers, John in LALALand (On the Left Coast) So... you want to give high end weapons to cargo ships with crew from countries like Liberia, etc? You can't give the cargo ships something simple like guns if the pirates have rocket launchers. So if you give cargo ships high end weapons, how long before those high end weapons are sold on the black market? --Tom Why is it any of our business what a Liberian ship carries in the way of defensive arms? I thought we were discussing American ships. I believe we armed merchant ships during wartime, so I see little difference.The exclusion zone would be a good thing, since it could be defended from the air. . . warning shots followed by true interdiction. Another alternative would be to let groups of Americans charter ships and sail them deliberately in harm's way. Aboard would be the Americans, but secretly armed to the teeth. When the pirates approach the vessel, they'd get the surprise of their soon-to-be brief life. The Americans could keep the trophies- appropriately mounted- and it'd be a great version of going on an African Safari. George, Ray or Cal could arrange the hunting charter. -- Nonny If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! - P.J. O'Rourke |
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Ending Somali piracy: few options for US forces
In article , Tom K
wrote: So... you want to give high end weapons to cargo ships with crew from countries like Liberia, etc? You can't give the cargo ships something simple like guns if the pirates have rocket launchers. So if you give cargo ships high end weapons, how long before those high end weapons are sold on the black market? Instead of giving the cargo ships weapons I would suggest setting up convoys of a bunch of ships protected by military ships like they did against the German subs. -- Charles |
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